Anyone Thinking of Dumping LEDS and going back to Halides

[power boat jim]

Joe,Its the MH light and the magic dust you obviously are sprinkling in the tank!

 

[Sensei ClamMan]

Have any changes/advancements been made in the 5 years since I went to LED's? I've got 5 Kessils 350's on my 180 SPS and I really like having my tank with no canopy now, I would want a similar pendant style if I changed back to MH, I'm not happy with the appearance of my corals anymore and the Kessils have been hardly trouble free, a couple have been replaced under warranty, control dials don't work the way they used to and there are a number of diodes not functioning so, what I'm saying is, if I have to keep fixing, buying or warranting these I might as well go back to replacing bulbs annually and have a great looking tank. I was hoping that I would have longevity and reliability and low power consumption as a balance to poor looking corals. I miss the growth and color even though they seem healthy. Any recommendations on pendant style? Hqi or mogul?
Thanks

 

[Bpb]

The Hamilton Cayman sun pendants are pretty nice. Maybe not exactly the 1/2 Soda can size of the kessils, but they can be hung and have quality reflectors. They're similar to the old discontinued Lumenarc Mini or the discontinued Sunlight Supply Lumenmax reflectors as far as the overall design. Can be found in both mogul and hqi. Which you choose would be up to you.

 

[JPMagyar]

I really don't get why LED lovers post in this thread and don't show pictures of their system. If you want to further the use of LED then post some photos. Nothing I'd like more than to look at another LED lit reef with purple and green and scraggly growth.

How about some LED reefs with progression shots like my one year shot shown above? Any LED reefs with nice pinks and yellows and nice growth forms?

Really I'm waiting to be convinced.

Wazzel, you keep posting. How about some regular photo updates to convince an LED hater like me that I'm wrong?

Oh wait here I have a photo of yours . . .

That's a sick and anemic coral with crappy color. Yes, that is way harsh, but I am so sick and tired of LED promoters trying to come online and say well, I'm just happy with my LED lit tank so it must be "hunky dory". Good for you. Your coral sucks and is not healthy, but if you like that look great. Why are you posting in a thread about MH? Do you want others to convert back to LED? Do you feel a need to validate your choice? I think your choice sucks. That's America. Something for everybody, but man it ****es me off when LED folks try so hard to push their crap. Yes, LEDs allow reefs to survive, but the corals grow in weird forms and have lousy coloration. Some corals do well and some don't whereas all corals do well under T5 and MH. That's a fact. Get over it. Accept it and stop trying to convince intelligent people that LED light is other than half a success as of today because it's not. The real tragedy is that a whole generation of reefers is becoming enamored with this crap and has no idea how nice a reef can look or why their Microlados is turning brown.

 

[mbauma]

I have been running 2 hydra 52's on my 140 and have struggled with acros and some other corals. I ordered a Giesemann Spectra 48" and it will be in my hands on Wednesday. I can't wait. I have 2 Giesemann Megachrome blue 250 bulbs and 4 54 wt T5's along with the Luxcore ballasts.

I had my hydras mounted on top of the canopy/hood and will not miss that at all

 

[jminick2]

I really don't get why LED lovers post in this thread and don't show pictures of their system. If you want to further the use of LED then post some photos. Nothing I'd like more than to look at another LED lit reef with purple and green and scraggly growth.

How about some LED reefs with progression shots like my one year shot shown above? Any LED reefs with nice pinks and yellows and nice growth forms?

Really I'm waiting to be convinced.

Wazzel, you keep posting. How about some regular photo updates to convince an LED hater like me that I'm wrong?

Oh wait here I have a photo of yours . . .

That's a sick and anemic coral with crappy color. Yes, that is way harsh, but I am so sick and tired of LED promoters trying to come online and say well, I'm just happy with my LED lit tank so it must be "hunky dory". Good for you. Your coral sucks and is not healthy, but if you like that look great. Why are you posting in a thread about MH? Do you want others to convert back to LED? Do you feel a need to validate your choice? I think your choice sucks. That's America. Something for everybody, but man it ****es me off when LED folks try so hard to push their crap. Yes, LEDs allow reefs to survive, but the corals grow in weird forms and have lousy coloration. Some corals do well and some don't whereas all corals do well under T5 and MH. That's a fact. Get over it. Accept it and stop trying to convince intelligent people that LED light is other than half a success as of today because it's not. The real tragedy is that a whole generation of reefers is becoming enamored with this crap and has no idea how nice a reef can look or why their Microlados is turning brown.

Lol this guy, props to your tank it's amazing but you need put in your place with the way you THINK you can talk to people. Just because you are at a computer doesn't mean you can be insulting and rude. All you are doing is making yourself look bad. I don't care how mad you are at people like wazzel, no reason to act like that. Stop crying about LEDs.

To wazzel, I enjoy your pictures don't listen to this guy. He clearly has issues if he feels the need to make himself feel better by bad mouthing other people's hard work.

 

[karimwassef]

coral branch thickness has more to do with flow than light - just for clarification.



I'm a hybrid user myself.

 

[Sensei ClamMan]

I really don't get why LED lovers post in this thread and don't show pictures of their system. If you want to further the use of LED then post some photos. Nothing I'd like more than to look at another LED lit reef with purple and green and scraggly growth.

How about some LED reefs with progression shots like my one year shot shown above? Any LED reefs with nice pinks and yellows and nice growth forms?

Really I'm waiting to be convinced.

Wazzel, you keep posting. How about some regular photo updates to convince an LED hater like me that I'm wrong?

Oh wait here I have a photo of yours . . .

That's a sick and anemic coral with crappy color. Yes, that is way harsh, but I am so sick and tired of LED promoters trying to come online and say well, I'm just happy with my LED lit tank so it must be "hunky dory". Good for you. Your coral sucks and is not healthy, but if you like that look great. Why are you posting in a thread about MH? Do you want others to convert back to LED? Do you feel a need to validate your choice? I think your choice sucks. That's America. Something for everybody, but man it ****es me off when LED folks try so hard to push their crap. Yes, LEDs allow reefs to survive, but the corals grow in weird forms and have lousy coloration. Some corals do well and some don't whereas all corals do well under T5 and MH. That's a fact. Get over it. Accept it and stop trying to convince intelligent people that LED light is other than half a success as of today because it's not. The real tragedy is that a whole generation of reefers is becoming enamored with this crap and has no idea how nice a reef can look or why their Microlados is turning brown.

Thing about having a hobby is exploring ideas and working on new methods and products to the best of our abilities. ****ing all over other people's ideas cause they don't jive with you goes against the whole point of having a forum in the 1st place. I loved trying the LED thing for the last 5 years to the best of my ability, I'll be happy to give my best with any products or methods cause that's what a hobby is all about so chill out, no need to insult peoples intelligence.

 

[Wazzel]

I really don't get why LED lovers post in this thread and don't show pictures of their system. If you want to further the use of LED then post some photos. Nothing I'd like more than to look at another LED lit reef with purple and green and scraggly growth.

How about some LED reefs with progression shots like my one year shot shown above? Any LED reefs with nice pinks and yellows and nice growth forms?

Really I'm waiting to be convinced.

Wazzel, you keep posting. How about some regular photo updates to convince an LED hater like me that I'm wrong?

Oh wait here I have a photo of yours . . .

That's a sick and anemic coral with crappy color. Yes, that is way harsh, but I am so sick and tired of LED promoters trying to come online and say well, I'm just happy with my LED lit tank so it must be "hunky dory". Good for you. Your coral sucks and is not healthy, but if you like that look great. Why are you posting in a thread about MH? Do you want others to convert back to LED? Do you feel a need to validate your choice? I think your choice sucks. That's America. Something for everybody, but man it ****es me off when LED folks try so hard to push their crap. Yes, LEDs allow reefs to survive, but the corals grow in weird forms and have lousy coloration. Some corals do well and some don't whereas all corals do well under T5 and MH. That's a fact. Get over it. Accept it and stop trying to convince intelligent people that LED light is other than half a success as of today because it's not. The real tragedy is that a whole generation of reefers is becoming enamored with this crap and has no idea how nice a reef can look or why their Microlados is turning brown.

You really are an arrogant and condescending jerk. The chest thumping alpha male crap does not scare me.

One year of growth Feb 2015 and 2016

 

[jestronix]

You really are an arrogant and condescending jerk. The chest thumping alpha male crap does not scare me.

One year of growth Feb 2015 and 2016

Just read ur thread ,good to see a led build from scratch and doing well, nice growth, I'd like to see a halide over it for the photos, LEDs don't show up nice in photos. I can't help but wonder how insane this tank would have been under halide though. Interesting to see how it goes long term

 

[jminick2]

You really are an arrogant and condescending jerk. The chest thumping alpha male crap does not scare me.



One year of growth Feb 2015 and 2016

Wazzel TOTM!

 

[CHSUB]

"the gloves are off here".......wazzel, that's not to bad with LEDs, better than i did before i dumped them. however, is that a yellow tang in a 60 cube?????:hmm2:

 

[wildman926]

You really are an arrogant and condescending jerk. The chest thumping alpha male crap does not scare me.

One year of growth Feb 2015 and 2016

Awesome. Your tank looks great.

I would run the "whites" for minimum viewing time, and run your blues the greater amount of time. It will deepen your colors.

I see many colors in your tank, not a wash of deep blue as the so called pilot has.

 

[Hentz]

Oh Wazzel, quickly becoming a fan of this guy!
Looking into going full LED from my ATI T5 SPS tank. Was kinda sold on Hydra's until I read Wazzel's thread, along with a few others. I think today I'll be purchasing two Hydra 26's. LED's are amazing lights. It's about finding that sweet spot. Though T5's and MH are ALSO amazing. Each light will grow, color, and make the RIGHT user happy.

This was before I really got into the chemistry of SPS. While I was still a slight noob to Acros, I am still pretty impressed with the growth and color I had. Don't let the crappy photos fool you, I had some awesome color and growth in this tank until AEFW hit.


This was using Reefbreeders when I found my "sweet spot". Hollywood Stunner is smaller due to it getting to large and me having to frag it


ORA Frag of some sort, forget the Acro's name.

 

[CHSUB]

Oh Wazzel, quickly becoming a fan of this guy!
Looking into going full LED from my ATI T5 SPS tank. Was kinda sold on Hydra's until I read Wazzel's thread, along with a few others. I think today I'll be purchasing two Hydra 26's. LED's are amazing lights. It's about finding that sweet spot. Though T5's and MH are ALSO amazing. Each light will grow, color, and make the RIGHT user happy.

This was before I really got into the chemistry of SPS. While I was still a slight noob to Acros, I am still pretty impressed with the growth and color I had. Don't let the crappy photos fool you, I had some awesome color and growth in this tank until AEFW hit.


This was using Reefbreeders when I found my "sweet spot". Hollywood Stunner is smaller due to it getting to large and me having to frag it


ORA Frag of some sort, forget the Acro's name.

true....can see why you wanted to get rid of those Reefbreeders!!! hurting some of your corals....i would try MH with your t5s; you will be much happier!!!

GL

 

[Hentz]

true....can see why you wanted to get rid of those Reefbreeders!!! hurting some of your corals....i would try MH with your t5s; you will be much happier!!!

GL

FWIW, I went T5's was pleasantly happy. Actually probably going back to LED's.. Today
Was going to upgrade my 24" T5 to 36" to fit my tank, but think I'm just going to jump the gun back to LED's as a 36" would make my room even hotter than it is..
I live in Vegas.. Summer is around the corner, and my room faces the sun. Not pleasant!

My father runs MH downstairs in the living room and it cooks the living room.

 

[milsaltnewbie07]

good thread .subscribed
This is my Tank with LEDs only before my major alk crash. Almost left the hobby after.
IMO the hardest thing about LED is finding the sweet spot. not like T5 and MH that pretty much plug and play. Another thing is PICS come out horrible under LEDS, at lest for me. You can never get the correct color. Specially purples and blues.
[url=https://flic.kr/p/E4azXA]tank2 by rhymebusta101, on Flickr[/URL]

 

[karimwassef]

well.. if it's cold - MH helps

 

[Johnseye]

I really don't get why LED lovers post in this thread and don't show pictures of their system. If you want to further the use of LED then post some photos. Nothing I'd like more than to look at another LED lit reef with purple and green and scraggly growth.

How about some LED reefs with progression shots like my one year shot shown above? Any LED reefs with nice pinks and yellows and nice growth forms?

Really I'm waiting to be convinced.

Wazzel, you keep posting. How about some regular photo updates to convince an LED hater like me that I'm wrong?

Oh wait here I have a photo of yours . . .

That's a sick and anemic coral with crappy color. Yes, that is way harsh, but I am so sick and tired of LED promoters trying to come online and say well, I'm just happy with my LED lit tank so it must be "hunky dory". Good for you. Your coral sucks and is not healthy, but if you like that look great. Why are you posting in a thread about MH? Do you want others to convert back to LED? Do you feel a need to validate your choice? I think your choice sucks. That's America. Something for everybody, but man it ****es me off when LED folks try so hard to push their crap. Yes, LEDs allow reefs to survive, but the corals grow in weird forms and have lousy coloration. Some corals do well and some don't whereas all corals do well under T5 and MH. That's a fact. Get over it. Accept it and stop trying to convince intelligent people that LED light is other than half a success as of today because it's not. The real tragedy is that a whole generation of reefers is becoming enamored with this crap and has no idea how nice a reef can look or why their Microlados is turning brown.

Throwing stones eh? Unconstructive and hostile post. I'm surprised to hear this from you. Bad day? Others with nicer tanks than yours show you respect and don't insult your tank. Also, this isn't just a thread about MH, and all LED users can't post here.

I do agree that I would like to see LED progression pictures. They appear to be absent from the entire forum. I could post some but they wouldn't be impressive. Since moving to Radions from T5s I've been disappointed. Some corals like it, most don't. My new fixture is a Spectra. Not everyone can have MH though. Let them be happy with what they can have.

 

[karimwassef]

I'd still like to see a side by side - same water circulating through both (guaranteed same calcium, alk, mg, salinity, pH and food), multiple species frags from the same mother corals, same flow, and just different light sources.

Then a fast forward time-lapse view after a year.

Then compare power usage, PAR, growth rate (weight?, length?), polyp expansion, coloration (how they look under the chosen light) and pigmentation (what their real color is under a standard source like sunlight) - over time.

Then it's data driven...