Anyone use PhosGuard?

whiteshark

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I needed to replace my phosban reactor media (phosban media) and the only thing the LFS had at the time was PhosGuard. I got a small container of it to try it out. Anyine use it? Any experiences good, bad or otherwise? It is a heck of a lot cheaper than phosban and rowaphos!
 
mbbuna hit the nail on the head

get rowaphos it doesnt leech back phosphates in when full
 
I've been using it in my reef with no Ill effects... It really helps with the algae on the glass. Due to what I hear on this board, I did get phosban to use once it runs out.
 
Perfect, I am using phosgard on my tank. Thanks for the info mbbuna, I am going to go throw the phosgard in the dumpster.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7718847#post7718847 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by outy
mbbuna hit the nail on the head

get rowaphos it doesnt leech back phosphates in when full


Oh really? Taken from the Seachem website on Phosguard:

Each 500 mL of PhosGuardâ"žÂ¢ treats over 600 L (150 gallons*) (i.e. will remove up to 30 mg/L phosphate in 600 L (100 gallons*) of water, depending on the initial phosphate/silicate concentrations and the current biological load. Over treating is not recommended. PhosGuardâ"žÂ¢ is not an exchange resin, it does not release anything into the water. It does not leach phosphate or silicate back into the water and may be removed, dried, and returned to service until exhausted. Continuous use of small quantities is better than intermittent use of larger quantities.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7719093#post7719093 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HowardW
Oh really? Taken from the Seachem website on Phosguard:

Each 500 mL of PhosGuardâ"žÂ¢ treats over 600 L (150 gallons*) (i.e. will remove up to 30 mg/L phosphate in 600 L (100 gallons*) of water, depending on the initial phosphate/silicate concentrations and the current biological load. Over treating is not recommended. PhosGuardâ"žÂ¢ is not an exchange resin, it does not release anything into the water. It does not leach phosphate or silicate back into the water and may be removed, dried, and returned to service until exhausted. Continuous use of small quantities is better than intermittent use of larger quantities.

read the link i posted.

and of course seachem is going to say there product is the best
 
from the artical

Inputs of Aluminum in Reef Aquaria: Phosguard

Many aquarists claim to see undesirable effects on corals when using Phosguard, made by Seachem. Many aquarists have attributed that effect to released aluminum, since it is largely composed of aluminum oxide (possibly with silicon present too). In the first phase of testing that hypothesis, I examined whether Phosguard does indeed release any aluminum into solution.

Table 4 summarizes the results for a serious of samples in which commercial Phosguard (75 mL) was placed into contact with aquarium water or freshly made Instant Ocean artificial seawater (500 mL). The samples we allowed to sit in closed plastic containers. Once every 3 days or so the containers where gently shaken for a few seconds. Aliquots were removed, in some cases filtered through a 0.45 ¦Ìm filter to remove ¡°particulates¡±, and the aluminum was determined by ICP (without acidification). The concentrations were determined by comparison to standard made by spiking 0.5 ppm aluminum into aquarium water or Instant Ocean artificial seawater (which had been shown earlier in this article to have no detectable aluminum). All of the samples had a clearly definable emission peak in the appropriate place, although the lowest sample (0.06 ppm) is close to the limit of detection.



Table 4. Aluminum Concentration in water samples exposed to Phosguard

Water Sample
Exposure Time
Filtration
Aluminum Concentration (ppm)

Aquarium Water
none
none
¡Ü 0.05

Aquarium Water
1 week
none
0.37

Aquarium Water
1 week
0.45 ¦Ìm
0.06

Aquarium Water
5 weeks
none
0.71

Aquarium Water
5 weeks
0.45 ¦Ìm
0.12

Instant Ocean
none
none
¡Ü 0.05

Instant Ocean
1 week
none
1.11

Instant Ocean
1 week
0.45 ¦Ìm
0.13




From the results in Table 4 it is evident that Phosguard does release aluminum to the water, and that the majority of this is present in particulate form (that is, that it is removed on a 0.45 ¦Ìm filter (although that does not demonstrate that it was originally released as particulates).

In order to determine if these results are caused primarily by fine particles that come with the much larger Phosguard particles (typically about 2 mm spheres), a batch was rinsed very thoroughly with RO/DI water (8 times, with each rinse lasting about 1 minute and each rinse volume comprising about 20 times the solid particle volume). These rinsed Phosguard particles were then exposed to aquarium water as above. The results are shown in Table 5.



Table 5. Aluminum Concentration in water samples exposed to rinsed Phosguard

Water Sample
Exposure Time
Filtration
Aluminum Concentration (ppm)

Aquarium Water
none
none
¡Ü 0.05

Aquarium Water
2 weeks
none
0.25

Aquarium Water
2 weeks
0.45 ¦Ìm
0.16




Not surprisingly, the concentration is reduced in the unfiltered sample, indicating that the rinsing may well have removed some fine particles that were contributing to the results in the unfiltered samples. However, the aluminum concentration in the filtered sample is not reduced, indicating that the ¡°dissolved¡± fraction of the aluminum is not altered by rinsing the Phosguard first.



Significance of Aluminum Release from Phosguard

Is the amount of aluminum released from Phosguard significant? Moreover, is it adequate to explain the results on corals that have been reported by aquarists? This question is extremely difficult to answer without some biological experiments. The tests run above show reasonably high concentrations of aluminum. Possibly high enough to cause problems for the organisms shown in Table 1 . But these tests were carried out on a large amount of Phosguard in a small amount of water. Tests with larger volumes of water might well result in lower aluminum concentrations. Additionally, the exact nature of the aluminum in these tests may well be different than in the toxicity tests reported above. That is, the nature may be particulate vs. colloidal vs. soluble vs. complexed by organics, etc.
 
That's not what you said....

<<<< get rowaphos it doesnt leech back phosphates in when full >>>


Please show me in that article where it shows evidence that Phosguard will leach phosphates or silicates back into the water when full.
 
reread the quote you posted. i never said that, but i will now. when its full it will leach the phosphate back into the water. that wouldn't be a concern if you changed it regularly, the concern im posting about is what its made of and how Aluminum can effect corals
 
<<< i never said that, but i will now. when its full it will leach the phosphate back into the water >>>


That's exactly what you were implying by saying to get Rowaphos because it doesn't leach phosphates when full.

Also, can you point me to any independent tests showing evidence that Phosguard will in fact leach phosphates or anything else back into the water when saturated, as Seachem claims otherwise.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7719179#post7719179 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by HowardW
<<< i never said that, but i will now. when its full it will leach the phosphate back into the water >>>


That's exactly what you were implying by saying to get Rowaphos because it doesn't leach phosphates when full.


reread the quote you posted! i never said that, the person you quoted(not me) said that.
 
posted by outy, not me


<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7718847#post7718847 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by outy
mbbuna hit the nail on the head

get rowaphos it doesnt leech back phosphates in when full
 
theres a few of vendors who ride these forums for there own interest.

it gets me how they represent a product that is well know to be less then desirable and they will argue with you against the whole grain of the known reefers who have very succesful tanks
 
Well, thanks for the info mbbuna. I guess I will go back to phosban or rowaphos. For now, I will observe the inhabitants of the tank and report any effects, good or bad.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7719227#post7719227 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mbbuna
so Howard! from searching your posts you either work for seachem or you just defend them all the time?



Nope, I don't work for Seachem and am definately not a vendor, I just use and am very pleased with many of their products.

I just think it's funny (and sad) how so many people are ready to badmouth and make statements of fact regarding a product when they have absolutely no data or scientific evidence to back it up, and probably have never even used the product firsthand or expreienced the negative effects they claim........they just simply repeat what someone else said somewhere in an internet forum, so therefore it MUST be true :lmao:
 
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