Vili_Shark
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quite a while actually.
Apolemichthys Kingi's!!!
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quite a while actually.
Vili_Shark
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Eric is no longer with SDC for long time now.
You sure owe an apology to at least one of them.
There are new collecting areas being explored all the time (as there are areas closing down), I'd not jump into conclusions and blame people unless I can really prove it.
photoblepharon
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Ahh, Vili Shark. Still sticking up for the right to own smuggled fish, I see. Keep it up, I guess.
Dmorty217
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Vili_Shark
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Just prove something instead of blaming everybody.
Vili_Shark
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Sorry didn't see it.
Yeah Scott and Brad are running the show now
photoblepharon
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Clearly there are fish coming out of ZA illegally; if you want proof you can email the ZA authorities yourself and see that it is illegal to sell aquarium fish from there.
Pseudanthias connelli has only ever been documented from ZA. If they are coming from other areas, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that.
Now we are supposed to believe that whoever is smuggling P. connelli out of ZA is only catching those, and ignoring the much more valuable A. kingi? Don't make me laugh!
Vili_Shark
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You make me laugh.
1.If you were in touch with the South African authorities , why don't you post here their case?
2.You misunderstand sir, I ain't got no burden of proof , it is you who basically blame a pretty large American importer for smuggling fish.
When you do that, sir, you better give a proof.
That's how it works
3.I'm not trying to make you laugh, honestly I don't.
I just been around for very long time and I do know that fish pop out where they "do not suppose to".
Genicanthus caudovittatus, was always considered to be found only in Red Sea and west Indian Ocean, now it is collected in pretty large numbers in Indonesia.
Now Indonesia has a lot of exporters and fisherman, so we all know that, the word spread easily.
How many exporters are there in Madagascar and Mosambique? not so many I guess, but we do know that there are people collecting there.
It was just an example.
I'm not saying the P.conneli were not smuggled , I have no idea.
All I'm saying if you blame somebody, let us see the smoking gun.
photoblepharon
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I didn't say he smuggled fish, I said it wouldn't surprise me that he would deal with such shady fish. Ask Eric about the Clarions he sold from the drug/fish smuggler Craig Lightner. I'm sure he will plead ignorance.
I hear about plenty of illegal fish and corals on the market all the time: Rhizotrochus, illegal Clarions from Craig Lightner that Eric Cohen sold, the Clippertons from Steve, all French Polynesian fish from everyone, South African fish, Caribbean corals and fish that were obtained illegally, etc. (see Joe Russo, Tropicorium, etc). I know from reading your posts that you are willing to excuse this behavior. Like I said, keep it up. In the long run when the hobby is regulated out of existence you can thank yourself.
I hear about plenty of illegal fish and corals on the market all the time: Rhizotrochus, illegal Clarions from Craig Lightner that Eric Cohen sold, the Clippertons from Steve, all French Polynesian fish from everyone, South African fish, Caribbean corals and fish that were obtained illegally, etc. (see Joe Russo, Tropicorium, etc). I know from reading your posts that you are willing to excuse this behavior. Like I said, keep it up. In the long run when the hobby is regulated out of existence you can thank yourself.
ThRoewer
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BTW: De Jong Marinelife has one A. kingi in stock as well.
They also had Pseudanthias connelli a few years ago.
As for South Africa - is the collection of these fish prohibited or just the export?
They also had Pseudanthias connelli a few years ago.
As for South Africa - is the collection of these fish prohibited or just the export?
photoblepharon
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Export would open up their resources to a much larger market than their domestic aquarium community. Its a simple way to limit the impact. More importantly, South Africa can do whatever the hell they want with their wildlife. You aren't entitled to it.
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We in South Africa buy recreational collection permits which allows us to only collect fish via snorkeling.
These fish must be kept in your own personal aquarium and you are prohibited to sell, donate or exchange the fish caught under such a licence.
Like mentioned above it is to protect our marine life from the commercial market.
All exports of marine life from SA is illegal
These fish must be kept in your own personal aquarium and you are prohibited to sell, donate or exchange the fish caught under such a licence.
Like mentioned above it is to protect our marine life from the commercial market.
All exports of marine life from SA is illegal
RynoParsons
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further more the Kingi angels isnt a fish you see when you go diving here. but anyway doesnt help to rant about this as there isnt any proof of to where these fish are collected and exported from now
sde1500
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Any reasons you feel the need to be aggressively combative with many in this thread? Too bad for OP he posts here to show some fish and it devolves into this.
Dmorty217
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The real issue is how the OP decided to announce he got two Kingii. He claims the came from a LFS. First red flag (most are Presold and or someone has a spot for them and then they are sold, then said diver collects them) point being is they don't make it to a LFS with the hope that someone is going to walk in a drop 15-20k on them. Then he claims he doesn't own any other rare fish but purchased two that easily fetch 8-10k!?? Oh and it was his first post ever with the start of this thread, but he has been in the hobby for "years" Seems odd is all.
Vili_Shark
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so, does it make the fish illegal? I'm serious...
Taahirs
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Vili_Shark
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You keep talking about the Clarions, remind everybody who're not in the know, how many years passed?
And who got charged.
You are basing your posts on assumptions.
Instead of assumptions, give us some facts, some proves.
Fish X is smuggled from area Z and here is why__________.
Otherwise, anybody with brains won't take you seriously my friend.
Good luck reading my posts, means u have a lot of spare time
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