Are we running our tanks too hot?

Now hold on. There are a lot of things that was taken from it indigenous area and climate and placed in a different local and climate and not only thrived but boomed!! I cant even think of the numerous amount of fruits and vegetables that are from someplace else that is bigger,sweeter, juicier or just grows better. For instance tomatoes are not native to Italy, Oranges are not native to Florida and corn is not native to North America. The list is astonishing for plants why not corals? I know that the sunlight has a big factor along with clean water and flow. Cold water places don't offer much of one or all of those things like the reefs we see today. And who is to say that before global warming started that the waters weren't right at the temps of 75 at all the reefs? I could imagine the size and growth and colors of some of the prehistoric corals if there were any! I don't know I am just saying that don't discredit it yet. My .02


For the record 78 degrees.
 
Most experts place the origins of true stony corals in the Triassic period or about 230 million yrs ago. Talk about living dinosaurs? Sure hope they're still around for my great grandkids to appreciate.
 
To give myself a little leeway in case things overheat, I run generally around 78-79. IME, when the tank has run around 82 IMO color is not as good.

Why folks are using Caribbean temps [and others to average] when we're keeping stony corals [not from Carib.] - I'm unsure.

I personally found this post from Walt Smith [Fiji, where many of our corals are imported from] to be quite informative - and I'm going to paste it here for those who never saw it.

Whatever the book says, he's speaking to where a lot of our Acropora are collected - having dived there regularly for quite a while. While the book statistics are good, I always find it useful to hear from those on the ground :)

I was happy he chimed in on this topic in the past, as by books also tell me that I should run my tank at 82.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=5089918#post5089918 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Walt Smith
Dear All,
It seems we are all at both ends of the field here. A couple of things to point out / remember. I am basing my comments on 16 years experience in the South Pacific (Tonga and Fiji) where the water temp for most of the year is mid 70's at 8 ft - 20 ft. where most of this stuff is collected. During our summer months, if we are unfortunate to get hit by hot spots (traceable on the NOAA maps from their site) the temp can reach into the low 90s and most of the coral dies or becomes bleached. In 1999 + 2000 season we lost over 90% of the entire coral reef on the eastern side of the Island and in most of the northern group (Yasawas) because of these hot spots which can be very discriminative with some reefs bleaching and less than a mile away everything is OK (or most of it) and there is really no telling where these spots will hit from year to year. Just last year I lost almost all of the corals on my farm racks spread over 7 different sites and while we monitored the temps bi-weekly some spots hit 92 (60 feet down) and others only hit 88. Still all died off. The racks we were able to move to much lower water had a higher success rate but some did still die. The racks we were not able to move had almost 100% mortality and the dance goes on from year to year as this now seems to be a regular annual occurring event. Dr. Bruce Carlson comes down almost every year to monitor some of the reefs he has labeled and we work together as he sees the same phenomena occurring while we all scratch our heads. It is because of his research and our daily observations that we are now beginning to understand more about the bleaching events that we can not control as we sadly just watch Mother Nature take its course.
Now, I'm just a dumb coral farmer and collector from Fiji and not a scientist but please consider these points.
I have seen a lot of reference to Caribbean temps. How many corals do you have in your tank from this region? None! How many species of Acro grow in this region? Few compared to Fiji and Tonga which is where most of the corals in your tank come from.
Fiji and Tonga are considered sub-tropical zones and you actually have to where a jacket in Tonga during the winter months and the water is freezing. I have spent up to 5 hours per day in this water and I usually come out blue.
If you have managed to acclimate the corals in your tank to the low 80's and they are doing fine then great I don't doubt this but please remember that you are skating on the edge with this temperature thing.
Your corals may grow faster but they have hollow legs and have accelerated growth leaving weaker structure. This may be acceptable in a home aquarium but reeks havoc on the reef as corals shoot up and break off under their own weight.
I have nothing to gain by telling you the truth about the water temps where I have worked and lived for the past 16 years but you can argue that 80 - 82 works best for you and if it does great. However, I do think that some of the references to stability are also important points to consider.
Will your corals die at 80 - 82 ¦ probably not. Is it the natural conditions at which they occur in nature ¦ defiantly not.
Keep in mind that the corals from Indonesia are a different matter where the water IS warmer but I still recommend mid to high 70's as a medium range to keep your mix well and happy.

Again, my opinions are just based on years of experience and I do not have any books to sell just friendly advice to offer.
Hope this helps clear a few things up or you can just take me out back and shoot me.
Forums like this are very good for sharing information and I hope you all do well with your captive reef at whatever temp works best for you.
Best to all,
Walt
 
Corals have been around much longer. Try the Devonion Era, the Age of Fish. About 380 to 400 million years aold. I know this because I work at one of the largest exposed fossil beds in the world. We have many brain coral looking fossils that are 3 feet in diameter.
 
Yeah if you want to include primitive types you can go all the way back to the Paleozoic. I was referring to scleractinian corals the likes of which are still around today.
 
The idea of trying to mimic the water temperature of the oceans where our corals are collected is IMO not a good idea!
My .02 comes from the fact that we are dealing with closed captive systems that are much smaller than the seas.
I have found that what works best is to have as large a system as possible to help with temperature stability and it also provides dilution, the solution to polution.
In a captive system it seems that the corals I grow, both sps and lps prefer to be kept between 76 and 77deg F.
I would think that those that are keeping things above 80 deg F would see improved health and growth of most of their animals at a lower T, while continuing to maintain stability.
I would also guess that if any of us were offered a free chiller and controller we would tend to not keep our system above 80!
What do you think?
Wrassta
 
In a captive system it seems that the corals I grow, both sps and lps prefer to be kept between 76 and 77deg F.

you know, I noticed that too. In the winter, my tank is around 77, my corals seem to do better. If I could afford to, I would run my tank around 77 all the time.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7869457#post7869457 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark
To give myself a little leeway in case things overheat, I run generally around 78-79. IME, when the tank has run around 82 IMO color is not as good.


I'm glad you pointed that out.

I notice Stonies collected during the colder part of the year from Fiji would be more well colored, and during summer most of them would not look that great in terms of pigmentation. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my observation. Also, the last time I checked with WSI, yes the recommended temperature is mid 70s -- at 77.

Sometimes diving in a reef, one can be exposed to sudden periodic 'freezing' cold waves that seem to come from nowhere and dissappear shortly, the truth is that temperature in the reef is not at a constant. I can attest to this through my diving experiences in the tropical reefs. The next time round I should bring a thermometer along ... ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7869457#post7869457 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by MiddletonMark
To give myself a little leeway in case things overheat, I run generally around 78-79. IME, when the tank has run around 82 IMO color is not as good.

Why folks are using Caribbean temps [and others to average] when we're keeping stony corals [not from Carib.] - I'm unsure.

I personally found this post from Walt Smith [Fiji, where many of our corals are imported from] to be quite informative - and I'm going to paste it here for those who never saw it.

Whatever the book says, he's speaking to where a lot of our Acropora are collected - having dived there regularly for quite a while. While the book statistics are good, I always find it useful to hear from those on the ground :)

I was happy he chimed in on this topic in the past, as by books also tell me that I should run my tank at 82.

Same goes for Tongan coral Mark.

FWIW< Gavin at PAF (Pacific Aqua Farms) has run his sps tank below 74 for IIRC over a decade now. He swears, as do I, the only way to keep the killer colors on stuff from Fiji and Tonga, is to keep it cooler then most.

I try to run 76.
 
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