Austin goes Rimless - Dudester's 203g mixed reef
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melev
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11599398#post11599398 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Dudester
GSMguy - I'm not sure what you mean about folding up the nori like a small packet - I'll google it. That's good data about the garlic, I'll use that, thanks!
melev - Take that to all the naysayers! Are you going to start using banana regularly?
I do the random food item occasionally. I think this is the third time I put some banana in the tank in the last 12 months.
Dudester
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I just wanted to put out a special thanks to some local guys who have been so helpful to me in getting my tank where it is today. John and Brian at Kingfish were critical in the setup phase, and they've helped me with supplies and countless advice along the way. Marcus and Dallis gave me more than a dozen frags, and Gabriel recently hooked me up as well. We're really lucky here in Austin to have a generous reefing community, as well as a number of great LFS's, like Kingfish. And we also have a coral propagation facility right in our own backyard. It's called Austin Aquafarms and that's where I got my pink eye oxypora, aussie acans and some others. Matt, the owner, is a great guy to deal with, and of course he offers online shopping as well as visits to "the farm" by appointment. His facility is amazing, and the next time we have an Austin tank tour, we should see if Matt is willing to open his doors for the day. Anyway, I'm really looking forward to the time when my tank is stocked full of corals, and I can offer frags to folks who are getting started, or who want to add something to their tank.
Dudester
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It's been a rough 2 days
It's been a rough 2 days
Dudester is not happy. As mentioned (and photographed), the ich returned on the powder blue tang, but this time there was no reversal despite extra feedings and extra garlic. The infection spread to the two clownfish, and yesterday the male died. He had been paired up with the female for more than 1 year, and I was really looking forward to them spawning in their new, larger home.
Last night the PBT didn't eat, nor did it eat at all today. Today it actually had the appearance of its flesh peeling off, and its face was sunken in. This evening it was laying on its side, and I couldn't bare the thought of the emerald crabs, peppermint shrimp and nassarius snails consuming it while it was alive, so I euthanized it.
The female clownfish is still infected, although I'm not convinced it's ich. There's a very thin, white film covering most of her body. She ate pretty well and looks stressed but okay otherwise. I really hope she doesn't end up like the others. The yellow tang and Swale's basslet appear just fine, the corals are all well, and all the parameters test out great, so I'm not sure what happened? I'm really bumming, this is the part of the hobby that I never get used to.
It's been a rough 2 days
Dudester is not happy. As mentioned (and photographed), the ich returned on the powder blue tang, but this time there was no reversal despite extra feedings and extra garlic. The infection spread to the two clownfish, and yesterday the male died. He had been paired up with the female for more than 1 year, and I was really looking forward to them spawning in their new, larger home.
Last night the PBT didn't eat, nor did it eat at all today. Today it actually had the appearance of its flesh peeling off, and its face was sunken in. This evening it was laying on its side, and I couldn't bare the thought of the emerald crabs, peppermint shrimp and nassarius snails consuming it while it was alive, so I euthanized it.
The female clownfish is still infected, although I'm not convinced it's ich. There's a very thin, white film covering most of her body. She ate pretty well and looks stressed but okay otherwise. I really hope she doesn't end up like the others. The yellow tang and Swale's basslet appear just fine, the corals are all well, and all the parameters test out great, so I'm not sure what happened? I'm really bumming, this is the part of the hobby that I never get used to.
reef / aholic
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Sounds like Brooklynella, which is not an easy parasite to eliminate!!!
Dudester
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I'm not sure what it is, but I think I've pieced together what happened. The PBT carried ich into the tank, and it regressed. After more reading I've learned that even if the fish shake the infection, the spores reside in the substrate and when a fish is re-infected, it's often much worse than the 1st time. This can lead to secondary bacterial and parasitic infections that the fish would otherwise not be susceptible to, and I think that's what is afflicting the clownfish and killed the male clown.
reef / aholic
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All of these look similar!!!
Cryptocaryon - white spots present on the body and gills. The fish may show irritation, respiratory distress, and lethargy without having any visual spots. As the disease progresses, the white spots will begin to develop until they reach a size of .5 - 2.0 mm. The spots have a tendency to appear on the pectoral fins first and the fish may swim with folded or clamped fins.
Amyloodinium - creates white spots but they are smaller and more widely spread and it causes respiratory distress and rapid death. Also has similar symptoms and is often confused with Cryptocaryon, but is more severe and fatal.
Brooklynella - cause white spots, but these are generally quite large. Fish become lethargic, refuse to eat, and colors fade, but the most noticeable difference is the heavy amount of slime that is produced. As the disease progresses, a thick whitish mucus covers the body, usually starting at the head and spreading outward, skin lesions appear.
Cryptocaryon - white spots present on the body and gills. The fish may show irritation, respiratory distress, and lethargy without having any visual spots. As the disease progresses, the white spots will begin to develop until they reach a size of .5 - 2.0 mm. The spots have a tendency to appear on the pectoral fins first and the fish may swim with folded or clamped fins.
Amyloodinium - creates white spots but they are smaller and more widely spread and it causes respiratory distress and rapid death. Also has similar symptoms and is often confused with Cryptocaryon, but is more severe and fatal.
Brooklynella - cause white spots, but these are generally quite large. Fish become lethargic, refuse to eat, and colors fade, but the most noticeable difference is the heavy amount of slime that is produced. As the disease progresses, a thick whitish mucus covers the body, usually starting at the head and spreading outward, skin lesions appear.
Bax
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Dude
I am very sorry to hear of your troubles.
Can you set up a Hospital/QT for the clown? A 10 gal tank will do. It may be the most effective way to treat the female.
My female clown accepted a new male easily (After a strange incident with a crocea clam vs. curious clown). I brought in a much smaller individual and the female accepted it immediately, they've been spawning ever since. So don't sweat it, you'll be enjoying the clowns in time.
I am very sorry to hear of your troubles.
Can you set up a Hospital/QT for the clown? A 10 gal tank will do. It may be the most effective way to treat the female.
My female clown accepted a new male easily (After a strange incident with a crocea clam vs. curious clown). I brought in a much smaller individual and the female accepted it immediately, they've been spawning ever since. So don't sweat it, you'll be enjoying the clowns in time.
Dudester
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reef / aholic - Thanks for all of the information. I've done a lot of reading in the past few days about fish diseases and your remarks are spot on.
tanya - It's a SSB, about 1" deep.
gkarshens - I agree it sounds like Brook, but it would be extremely unusual for the clownfish to acquire this after being in the tank for so long, especially considering that the new fish would not have introduced this into the tank. Thanks for your condolences.
Bax - Thanks a lot. The female is actually looking a little better, so I've made the decision to keep her where she is. Now that the PBT is out of the tank, the bioload of, well, whatever was harming everything else, has been significantly reduced. I do have a 20 long, HOB filter, etc. that I can use as a hospital tank if she gets any worse. As for finding her a mate, it took me 3 small true percs until I was able to establish this match, but I am hopeful that the next one will be a success.
My plan is to wait until there's no active infection in the tank, then start the clock and not add any other fish for 2 months. If any fish become re-infected after they've cleared, I'll remove them and put them in a QT/hospital tank, again for a full 2 months, before reintroducing them into the main tank.
tanya - It's a SSB, about 1" deep.
gkarshens - I agree it sounds like Brook, but it would be extremely unusual for the clownfish to acquire this after being in the tank for so long, especially considering that the new fish would not have introduced this into the tank. Thanks for your condolences.
Bax - Thanks a lot. The female is actually looking a little better, so I've made the decision to keep her where she is. Now that the PBT is out of the tank, the bioload of, well, whatever was harming everything else, has been significantly reduced. I do have a 20 long, HOB filter, etc. that I can use as a hospital tank if she gets any worse. As for finding her a mate, it took me 3 small true percs until I was able to establish this match, but I am hopeful that the next one will be a success.
My plan is to wait until there's no active infection in the tank, then start the clock and not add any other fish for 2 months. If any fish become re-infected after they've cleared, I'll remove them and put them in a QT/hospital tank, again for a full 2 months, before reintroducing them into the main tank.
Man I hate fish. If I had all the money I lost on fish I could set up my new system and have some left over to take us all to Uchi.
chrismunn
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man, i had ich in my first tank, and every day i would catch all my fish and put them in a 5g bucket with an airstone. then i would treat the water in the bucket with formalin3. ihad to catch the fish daily for the treatments, because i couldnt leave them in the bucket. i also couldnt add that product to my reef, becasue it would kill everything! only 1 fish had ich, but i would treat all 5 fish in the tank as a precastion. i did that for about a month. it was a real drag, and i wish i would have had a suitable QT setup. luckily for me it worked with no ill effects...
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