"Bali" Clownfish

[Ginger bay]

Out of all the nebulas that I received only two were awesome. However I do agree the quality could be better or

For this reason is why I made an earlier statement. I personally remember seeing the first Nebula on Liveaquaria Divers Den and this was before it had a name. I think they were called Bali P1 Picassos. I've seen several on YouTube a couple years ago that look awesome. It seems every single Nebula being imported was nice until late last year. Now all the Nebulas do not seem representative of BA clownfishes. I hate to say, coming in now are $60 common Picassos with faded orange color, no more jet black background, long bodies, narrow heads, and some flared gills. You only got 2 out of how many? 2 years ago, if 2 came in, both were nice.

 

[Mattiejay6]

All the nebulas coming in right now are grade b... Sometimes grade B's are nice and most of the time they are not. The nebulas have been around for awhile just not really in the US.. Proaquatix has a beeding pair that puts out the nebula pattern as well.


ORA has put some out but never captilized on it and a buddy was calling them spray paints.

 

[temper76]

I had a what would be consider a nebula base on its characteristics but it's a bbali it's from ora I had him summer of 2012 the guy before me had him 2010 here in the picture u can see he has no black do to change of lighting n aqua scape. .ora had them but never market them they just sold as regular picasso same as aquarich did in the first 2 years.then they where ask to breed them to have more n lock the genes up.but quality sucks now.

 

[D-Nak]

All the nebulas coming in right now are grade b... Sometimes grade B's are nice and most of the time they are not. The nebulas have been around for awhile just not really in the US.. Proaquatix has a beeding pair that puts out the nebula pattern as well.


ORA has put some out but never captilized on it and a buddy was calling them spray paints.

My understanding was that very few, if any, grade A nebulas made it to the U.S. Is that true?

 

[Mattiejay6]

That is true. Before they were marketed as Nebulas a couple made it into the U.S. Which would be considered grade A.

 

[joshky]

That is true. Before they were marketed as Nebulas a couple made it into the U.S. Which would be considered grade A.

Is there a reason why they don't get imported? Higher demand elsewhere or something?

 

[CoralsAddiction]

This type of clowns are being sold as Bali Picasso at our local stores. They do in fact come from Bali instead of being offered by local breeders, I confirmed it.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Oh yeah, they are sold for $30 as opposed to $90-$200. Hence this threads existence. I know some people are paying $200-$400 for Bali clowns. Granted those are typically higher grade but still big discrepancy in price and therefore value dilution in my opinion.

 

[nanoreefer1000]

Oh yeah, they are sold for $30 as opposed to $90-$200. Hence this threads existence. I know some people are paying $200-$400 for Bali clowns. Granted those are typically higher grade but still big discrepancy in price and therefore value dilution in my opinion.

Bali AquaRich P1 Picassos can sell for more than $800 per fish.

 

[D-Nak]

I had a what would be consider a nebula base on its characteristics but it's a bbali it's from ora I had him summer of 2012 the guy before me had him 2010 here in the picture u can see he has no black do to change of lighting n aqua scape. .ora had them but never market them they just sold as regular picasso same as aquarich did in the first 2 years.then they where ask to breed them to have more n lock the genes up.but quality sucks now.

Hmmm... that's an interesting one. I think it's got the "smear" gene of a Nebula (assuming a gene causes it), but that fish is missing some of the Picasso characteristics of what I would call a Nebula (needs more mottling and more black). That said, I don't know if there is a true definition of what constitutes a Nebula.

Futhermore, as with other fish, technically we can only call fish with those characteristics bred by Bali Aquarich as Nebulas, correct?

 

[D-Nak]

Is there a reason why they don't get imported? Higher demand elsewhere or something?

I heard it's because 1) we generally don't have the deep pockets as others countries, particularly Asian countries and 2) the breeder was upset with some of the things happening in the U.S. with regards to his fish.

This type of clowns are being sold as Bali Picasso at our local stores. They do in fact come from Bali instead of being offered by local breeders, I confirmed it.

I'm guessing that these might be wild from Bali or from another breeder in Bali possibly? They don't have the typical Bali Aquarich Picasso traits -- nice body form and defined lines and clean, solid colors (no "dirt" on the orange part) -- unless the new crop have drastically come down in quality. IMO they look like locally bred Picassos, right down to the to deformed head/dorsal area.

Oh yeah, they are sold for $30 as opposed to $90-$200. Hence this threads existence. I know some people are paying $200-$400 for Bali clowns. Granted those are typically higher grade but still big discrepancy in price and therefore value dilution in my opinion.

If it's a wild clown, I can't imagine why they'd be sold for only $30.

Bali Aquarich clowns are some of the most expensive clowns available, but they are (or were) some of the nicest I've seen. Nicest in terms of body form AND pattern. We have nice clowns here in the U.S. in terms of pattern but the form (yes, I hate to bring it up yet again) is terrible. I've always said to myself that if I wanted a truly nice Picasso, I'd get a Bali Aquarich P1, one with a completely white dorsal fin, which we typically don't see from U.S. breeders.

 

[Ginger bay]

I agree that US breeders breed some of the worst conformation in clowns, but are only kept because of pattern or color. I believe it is diluted genes from too many generations of inbreeding brother to sister and mother to son with no questioning of what of how many times this has already been done.

Also heard that so many of the BA clowns come in with disease since they are raised in ocean ponds. Whatever exist in ocean water, the clowns bring it in. They are used to it so may show no signs of disease. If one is not careful, you can wipe out all your other clowns when you introduce Bali clowns.

 

[D-Nak]

I agree that US breeders breed some of the worst conformation in clowns, but are only kept because of pattern or color. I believe it is diluted genes from too many generations of inbreeding brother to sister and mother to son with no questioning of what of how many times this has already been done.

Also heard that so many of the BA clowns come in with disease since they are raised in ocean ponds. Whatever exist in ocean water, the clowns bring it in. They are used to it so may show no signs of disease. If one is not careful, you can wipe out all your other clowns when you introduce Bali clowns.

+1. Most of the good importers for Bali Aquarich clowns go through a rigorous QT process because they are prone to disease. Many of us believe that BA clowns have nice body forms because they aren't prone to water quality related deformations. With an endless supply of water, the clowns look better, with the trade-off of possible disease.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

It's become increasingly difficult to find decent clowns. They breed all kinds of patterns like D-Nak mentioned but gosh are they all deformed. It's unbelievable.

 

[Ginger bay]

it's become increasingly difficult to find decent clowns. They breed all kinds of patterns like d-nak mentioned but gosh are they all deformed. It's unbelievable.

+1

 

[Mattiejay6]

"Bali" Clownfish

Dnak.. Bali Nebulas have a wild parent with the smudgy pattern gene so technically it could be a gene passed on from the parent. The ones from the other breeders in the U.S. Are normally a few in a single batch or every other batch a Picasso pair might throw off. Technically the Nebula name is used for Bali fish or a person breeding a Bali nebula with something else and creating more nebulas.

Bali has a couple grades of Picasso and the price range is frown low to $350 depending on which grade you might select.

QT is a must!

 

[Mattiejay6]

Dnak that photo is a lower grade Bali Picasso which he classifies as an A1. Just a lower grade

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Dnak that photo is a lower grade Bali Picasso which he classifies as an A1. Just a lower grade

The quality of the A1 Picasso is better than most lower grade Picasso (and pretty much other designers) bred domestically, including some of the larger hatcheries. I am surprised that despite its lower grade, clown such as the one in the photo would only be offered for $30 retail.

 

[D-Nak]

The quality of the A1 Picasso is better than most lower grade Picasso (and pretty much other designers) bred domestically, including some of the larger hatcheries. I am surprised that despite its lower grade, clown such as the one in the photo would only be offered for $30 retail.

I completely agree. Which is why I'm not understanding what's been said. To me that photo is not of a BA A1 (unless it just a bad photo and the color is off and the kink in the head is because of the angle).

I've seen many BA A1s and all of them looked A LOT better than the photo above. And they weren't priced at $30. I've also seen P1s that were stunners, with prices to match.

Has the quality of BA fish come that far down? I don't think so. Their breeding practices would dictate that even the WORST that they produce look better than many of our domestic Picassos.

 

[lhm nole]

Bali picasso's are extremely nice saw some at the local wholesaler they ranged from 200 too 500 and most of them are huge..