Ban on yellow tangs from Hawaii
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Hopefully they just prosecute the diver, and don't turn this into a "let's ban everything" bandwagon thing.
shifty51008
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I highly doubt they will ban yellow tangs because of this.
And yes that is only one side of the story, while i dont agree with what he did to her underwater i do admit she was also pushing their buttons.
And yes that is only one side of the story, while i dont agree with what he did to her underwater i do admit she was also pushing their buttons.
Well, this round goes to the activists! The suspect certainly played into Ms Umberger's hands! And if he was collecting illegally as some of the stories say I hope he get's prosecuted for more than just his/her attack on Ms Umberger. But looking at a couple of the stories the risk seems hyped to me. It's certainly disconcerting to have your regulator pulled off in a dive but when it happened to me once I didn't feel like it was life threatening, just stuck it back in my mouth and cleared my mask like I was trained too when I got certified.
ChadRaay86
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From what it looks like, I would equate her to an anti-whaling ship. If she was indeed messing with them and had a history of doing it she should be prosecuted as well. Not a smart move by the diver, but understandable if she was messing with them. Its not smart to mess with anyone under the water as the aggressor or just being pesky, but this wasn't attempted murder and if she's trained its as simple as grabbing your reg back. Just my 2 cents
BrentH
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I just saw the video and read the article I think the activist were out out line .... Hawaii states that everything is totally sustainable with yellow tang but I'm on both sides of the fence and I am a little bit of a tree hugger don't like to see the ocean raped at the same time one thing I think people don't realize is most hobbyist are ocean lovers not out to hurt it
Ret Talbot with Reef 2 Rainforest has a good right up on this. Jay Lovell, the fish collector in question here, was collecting legally unlike what was implied in a couple of reports I read, and contacted authorities as soon as he surfaced. What is scary is how far Sea Sheppard seems to be willing to go even in the face of research by scientists from several universities, government agencies and the World Wildlife Fund that show Yellow Tangs harvests are sustainable.
Keoki18
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Regardless of who was at fault, the action taken should not have occured. As a diver, this is a horrible display of safety. If there was an issue, there should have been an abort of the dive and an immediate call to the authorities.
This being said, I do love my hobby and my job, but believe that we are over fishing off the hawaiian islands.
This being said, I do love my hobby and my job, but believe that we are over fishing off the hawaiian islands.
Once u give someone the go ahead to fish out of the ocean for money. You open it up to many things that are going to happen that will not be seen but damn sure not what they are suppose to be doing.
If you think these "legal fishers" are being 100% legal you are out of your mind. They are doing all they can to be rich they do not care about the ocean or what lives and dies they are basically drug dealers but for fish.
If you think these "legal fishers" are being 100% legal you are out of your mind. They are doing all they can to be rich they do not care about the ocean or what lives and dies they are basically drug dealers but for fish.
How many commercial fisherman do you actually know? While there are indeed some (like in any line of work or population of people) that will break the laws and simply not care beyond immediate profit, most commercial fisherman do follow the regulations (even if some of them grip about them), and do care about ocean.
That's been my lifelong experience.
There is always a rotten apple in the bunch, but having grown up with commercial fisherman, knowing scores of marinelife collectors, I can say the majority care more about the ocean then most the population.
Keoki18
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The fishing laws and regulations around the Hawaiian islands is based on population densities that are not always true. Survey teams are not doing the best job at recording and classifying species that are at risk of decline. Studies also neglect to yeild caution in removing species in the ecological food web. The Polynesian reef chains are a very small ecosystem when compared to the rest of the Indo-pacific.
We also lose far to many individuals during culls of ornemantal fish species. Yellow tangs are at special risk of this.
What I am not saying is that collectors are horrible people who care nothing for the oceans. They do. I support the families of fishermen and the men themselves, but I am concerned about the politics behind managing such a fragile system.
This also being said, I do not care for how crazy activists can be during protests. What happened in that video should have never happened. Period.
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