Barrier Reef ICH levels, Question for Steven Pro

ZaneBoyJ

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Dear Mr. Pro

I have a reef aquarium that contains ich. I maintain an apparently healthy population of fish. The ich I speak of is an occasional outbreak on the Regal Tang. I am trying to pin down the quarantine philosopy that you support. Do you believe in treating all and any potential carriers of Cryptocaryon prior to installation in the display? Or, do you only support the theory of treating animals with visible signs during the quarantine process? If you support only treating only livestock with visible signs, whats your take on the following study of Cryptocaryon infection levels in wild populations. It is apparent from this study that parasitic infections are much higher than previously thought as evidenced by some authors who write on the subject. Low level infestation on apparently healthy livestock from the wild were only detectable through biopsy. Not suitable for the hobbyist and not helpful to the fish hee, hee.... these numbers are as high as 79% on some species. I am aware of the myth that "ich is always present" is not absolutely true, but according to this study, damn near! Visible inspection is not effective for fish that control infestations to a manageable level. So with that in mind, should the hobbyist treat all potential hosts with the treatment of choice? Copper? I realize that wild hosts dealing with the disease in the wild should exibit visible signs due to the transport stress etc. However, I have watched new arrivals at a rather large LFS I frequent lose all visible signs of Ich when acclimated into pristine water, food and reef conditions. If you don't support treating any and all new acquisitions with a cure of choice, how would you contrast that position with the following study? Thanks

Z

DAO 25:159-167(1996) - AbstractInfections of Cryptocaryon irritans on wild fish from southeast Queensland, Australia
Diggles BK, Lester RJG

Wild-caught marine fish from 3 sites in SE Queensland, Australia, were examined over a period of up to 13 mo for infections of the parasitic ciliate Cryptocaryon irritans. Infections of C. irritans were found to be common on the fish sampled. Out of a total of 358 fish (14 species), 239 (66.7%) from 13 species were found to be infected. At Site 1 at the mouth of an estuary, the prevalence of C. irritans infections was 79% and the mean intensity was 12.9 parasites fish-1. At Site 2, a coastal bar area, the prevalence of infection dropped to 66% and a mean intensity of 5.0 parasites fish-1, whilst at Site 3 on the Great Barrier Reef, prevalence was lowest at 51% with a mean intensity of 2.3 parasites fish-1. The study concentrated on 2 sparid fishes, Acanthopagrus australis from Sites 1 and 2 and Gymnocranius audleyi from Site 3. The prevalence of infections on A. australis from Site 1 (n = 101) was 100% with a mean intensity of 14.6 parasites fish-1, whilst at Site 2 (n = 74) the prevalence was 88% at a mean intensity of 5.2 parasites fish-1. There was no apparent seasonality in prevalence or intensity of infections at Sites 1 and 2 despite water temperatures ranging between 15 and 27*C. At Site 3, the prevalence of infections of G. audleyi (n = 39) was 38% with a mean intensity of 1.9 parasites fish-1. The diameter of the tomonts collected from A. australis from Sites 1 and 2 varied inversely with water temperature, and was not related to host size. Our results show that infections of C. irritans are common on wild fish, not rare as previously thought. This may be partially due to the increased sensitivity of our tomont collection technique. Our data suggest that C. irritans may exhibit a degree of host specificity in the wild, and also that its natural distribution can be extended into estuaries and seasonally into warm temperate waters. Your thoughts?

Z
 
isnt quarantine a process to carefully observe fish for two or three weeks if any signs of is visible, then if it is, you can then have an option of hypo or other medication...
 
Ichnorant questions

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I clearly see two camps in this, and always have. Those that believe ich will take care of itself in a healty system and those that don't. I know of fish keepers with 30 years in the business, (one guy with a 10000 square foot facility who thinks that a healthy system, good diet and pristine water conditions will cause ich to take care of itself). He has shown me the results on newly acquired fish on multiple occasions. My question regarding the article on ich levels on the Barrier Reef pertains to treatment. Since many fish can harbor ich undetectable to the eye, and can remain in said condition for months, shouldn't we treat all fish topically with whatever treatment works in the quarantine tank. So far I see that most quarantine advocates suggest visual inspection during the quarantine duration. If you don't see ich don't treat for it. I am suggesting that the numbers of parasites on given species in this study show this method to be futile. I do believe the captive display has the deck stacked against the fish as far as numbers of parasistes in a give area. So a pathogen free display would be great if feasible. However when ich rears its head on an ich magnet such as a Tang, should the display be ripped apart to capture all the fish, then place them in an unfamiliar place and give them a low level dose of poison such as copper? When all the inhabitants appear and respond in a healthy manner. Big displays make this a daunting task.

Don't get me wrong, I am for a pathogen free display. I realize that this is unatural but so is the display itself.

z
 
I do treat some fishes from the beginning, things like puffers and tangs. Others I am less concerned with such as gobies and only treat them when they show signs of infestation. Otherwise, they simply stay in quarantine for a minimum of one month.

I would like to read the entire paper, but I do have a few comments just from the abstract. For one, neither fish studied is what one would call a common aquarium resident. But more importantly, a fish carrying this parasite and not showing obvious signs of infestation in the wild is very different from the same fish carrying the parasite into the close confines of captivity. In an aquarium and its limited amount of water, the reproductive strategy of Cryptocaryon irritans makes it overload most fishes and becomes apparent in most all cases in a month.
 
Point taken, the parasites are likely to presents themselves during the normal life-cycle in the confines of an aquarium. So, for individuals who somehow have missed the opportunity to stop this parasite at quarantine, would you recommend capture, treatment and fallow? One more thing while I have you, have you read anything on high heat strategies? Like 95 degrees for 7 days? I thank you for your responses.

MJ
 
I do recommend capture, treatment, and fallow.

The only thing I can recall about treating Cryptocaryon that has to do with temperature is if you drop the water to below 66*F the parasite is unable to reproduce, but that is not a strategy that is useful for tropical reef fishes.
 
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