Beckett vs. Needlewheel skimmers

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8268862#post8268862 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by alwest45
Yes, I've fixed the math error. Thanks for pointing it out.

I'm really interested in specifics but I cannot decipher this: Most Becketts done even have tapered transitions. Could you explain in more detail what you meant? If you know if real world examples that's helpful too.

Al
the transitions of all becketts are step like. the bubles get trap thier and become slightly bigger. they also deposit scum thier as well Harder to clean that it needs to be. Most good Nw use tappered transitions 30-45 degrees bubble flow smothly.

Darn it, i did it again, sorry Rich
 
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Thats an H&S NW skimmer, notice how theres a cone transition from body to neck?
 
I have a dual beckett and a Euro-Reef RC-750 on the same system so I have some insight into this debate (pictures should be in my gallery).

I love both of my skimmers but if I were forced to keep just one it would be the euro-reef.

The beckett can do 1200 lph (42 scfh) per beckett but with that much air it is hard to tune in properly. I run it at 900 lph (32 scfh) and it works great.

The euro-reef pumps run at 840 lph (29 scfh) and I have the taps closed slightly to get better foam. That is with the old impeller.

You can't go wrong with either skimmer.

As for the skimmate - it looks about the same as far as "wetness" goes, the beckett produces 30-50% more skimmate and the Euro-Reef produces much smellier skimmate. I don't know what that means:D

Regarding the 4100's on the RC-750. Because of the size of the skimmer and head pressure these pumps will pull less air then they would on a smaller skimmer. So you are not going to get 114 scfh on the RC-750 with the new impeller. I plan on getting the new impeller so it will be interesting to see what it does do on the RC-750.
 
I'm firmly in the Beckett fan club, even though I couldn't/wouldn't get mine to work (I traded it after a couple of days). When I upgrade to a larger tank, I will be getting one for sure and take the time to dial it in correctly. From what I've researched and read, Beckett's will blow most other skimmers away, especially, as FMarini mentioned, because you can turn your tank over many times. You should always be effective first and efficient second.

My turboflotor, which pulls a decent amount of air, can only handle 100-200gph, and therefore will only turn over my 20L about 7x an hour, since it is gravity fed.

IIRC all the fractionation occurs at the beckett, which means all the water passing through the skimmer/skimmer pump is being fractionated. In a recirc skimmer, the water dumps into a big mixing chamber, where the input may or may not be matched well with the needlewheel pump. I like my turbo because the water input is plumbed directly into the OR2700 intake, so most, if not all, water is passed through the needlewheel before being shot into the reaction chamber.

I also think that too much is being made of tapered necks... most beckett users don't seem to complain that their necks hamper or hinder their ability to skim.
 
The skimmer I made has a step transition and the step is clear acrylic. I have watched the bubbles under this little "ledge" and they are constantly being stirred into the bubbles near the center (able to go up the neck).

What I notice in the first picture Rich posted is that the neck inside the cup is too short, but the neck in the second picture goes up closer to the cap of the collection cup. I have found this to be helpful because the foam getting pushed up the neck (with air pressure) encounters the cap and gets pushed down the out sides of the neck and into the cup sooner. Or maybe it doesn't matter.

No mention of venturi skimmers here? I tried an Ocean Runner 2700 NW and it was too noisy. I get about the same air, more flow control, and less noise using a mag 3 after a Kent venturi.
 
Wow, can believe I missed this thread. Lol. Glad I noticed it after the flaming.

From my own modding/DIYing, I can tell you this. The same pump used as a Beckett/Venturi/Downdraft/Injection pump skimmer pump makes about 1/2 the bubbles that it can make with a needlewheel/threadwheel. As for wattage, according to my Kill-a-watt, the wattage isnt so bad with either though. As you restrict with a Beckett/Mazzei, the wattage goes down since the impeller slows down. With the needlewheel, the air mixing in decreases the amount of work needed, so there is less wattage as well. The Beckett still uses more, but with a eheim 1262, the beckett was running about 50 watts, and the needlewheel was running about 45watts. This is a mag-driven pump however, and other pump like Pan-Worlds and Velocities and ReefFlos might be different. I know their power use increases as you add the restriction of a beckett.

On the same skimmer body (a 4' tall, 8" diameter pipe with bulkheads at various heights for testing), the Dwyer RMC flow meter put the needlewheel at 2x that of the beckett, and a little more for the Mazzei.

But I can see where things get sticky. See, the beckett and Mazzei can pump their output into a skimmer that is easily 6' tall w/o any problems, but as I approached the 4' water level for testing, the needlewheel began to choke and its performance would be surpassed by the beckett and Mazzei (3/4" unit is what I used) if I went to 6' tall.

So then we have the whole 'which is better?' argument from way-back-when... would you rather have a skimmer that is 6' tall, but only 8" in diameter, or a 12" diameter (2x the area of a 8" diameter) skimmer that is only 3' tall (the shorter skimmer with 2x the air throughput as the tall one to maintain the same bubble density to make a fair comparison)?

I would like to dispell one myth out there though... or at least thats how I see it...

Flat riser necks arent that big of a deal unless they are very large. Remember that gravity is not the only thing at play here (er, bouyancy of the bubble depending on how you look at it). There is the flow of the water and air within the skimmer which is flowing upwards. As one bubble hits the 'ceiling' of a flat riser neck on its way up, another will fall rightbehind it, and taking the path of least resistance, the bubble will get pushed towards the inside of the riser rather than the outside (more bubbles build up around the outside then the inside of the riser neck because the area increases as the diameter increases), and eventually to the neck where it can sontinue its path upwards. During this time that the bubble is caught under the flat part, as long as the flow is good enough, and the flat part isnt too large, it has no impact. You will notice that most becketts are tall and narrow in this regard, and if you watch these flat riser areas, there is no buildup or combining of bubbles. The 'updraft' simply carries the bubbles with on their way up. Now dont get me wrong here... lets say you tried to replace the riser cone on a Bubble King with a large flat piece, that skimmer would be a large burping mess.
 
Welcome Hahn Come on in the water's fine, it was hot for a while but it just right now.

While you may not SEE the bubbles connect their in the step I do think it does cause issue that you can see. If you look at any and becketts (I've never seen a Barr in action) just below the final step below the neck cup, you do have waste scum collecting on the sides. If you put a tapperd transition it wont do that.

Has RC allways had spell check?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8271036#post8271036 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Roland Jacques


While you may not SEE the bubbles connect their in the step I do think it does cause issue that you can see. If you look at any and becketts (I've never seen a Barr in action) just below the final step below the neck cup, you do have waste scum collecting on the sides. If you put a tapperd transition it wont do that.


The Barr/Austin Oceans skimmer I was leaning towards before the latest ER impeller and numbers looks different than the picture Hahn posted. I can't quite figure out how to post an image here but the picture of the one I was leaning towards is here - the picture is the Austin Oceans Foaminator MAX 5200 - I think Barr called it the SK5220): http://austinoceans.com/products-skimmers.html#Bookmark-SupersizeSkimmer except that the one I was looking at had a single Beckett injector instead of the dual injectors shown in the picture. It's supposed to be easy to add the second injector later if you need additional flow/foam. The one I've seen in operation however is a dual (so we're talking 90 scfh here) and I did not notice any problems with bubbles moving up the neck and out. Nor was there any scum collecting on the sides of the main body. This skimmer was broken in and was running a little on the wet side but it seemed to not have any vices. It was an impressive skimmer in operation. The guy that runs it says he never has burping problems although he did have them with a previous brand of beckett skimmer he owned. Barr implies on his website that he did some engineering specifically to smooth the flow and eliminate burping but he didn't change the flat flange so that doesn't seem to be the problem. Do you know of any research that indicates this might be a problem. I know it seems intuitively like it should work better with a sloping reduction but after having watched the Barr skimmer in operation it did not seem to be impeded at all. I think I’m buying Hahn’s position that it shouldn’t make much difference, at least for beckett skimmers (unless you can point me at some data/research).

Hahn, the Sequence/Reeflo pump curves I've seen show that power usage decreases as head increases. So it seems that the addition of the beckett should reduce the power used rather than increase it.

Roland, can you post a pointer to the ATI Bubblemaster? I'd like to include it in my research list. Other than it uses less electricity, how do you think it compares to the new impeller RC750 (which does 114 scfh using 3 Gen-X 4100s although DocG is sure you won’t see that due to head issues). Since the electrical usage is a small percentage of my overall reef tank equipment, I’m more interested in how much water scrubbing I can get out of the skimmer so I am looking for the maximum number of very small, properly behaved bubbles I can get.

DocG, please post your measured numbers for your RC750 when you get the new impeller. According to ER you can order them now. Any chance of that happening soon? Also, which beckett skimmer do you have? The guy I know with the dual beckett Barr was able to run his wide open from almost the first day without problem. It came with dual airflow meters so he can see how many scfh he is getting â€"œ when it drops below 45 scfh per beckett he knows it’s time to clean the beckett, which he says he does every month. Is this the same as your experience?

WarrenG, I looked at venturi skimmers and came to the conclusion that beckett skimmers (which are in some ways an evolution of the plain venturi designs) produced more airflow/foam and would outperform the plain vanilla venture or Mazzei venturi skimmers. Do you have any references to venturi skimmer products (not DIY stuff) that measure and post their airflow numbers? The few that I've seen were way off the numbers we are talking about here â€"œ but they were engineered a good while ago so may not be the state of the art. Also, the neck height I think depends on the airflow. On the 90 scfh dual beckett Barr skimmer I've seen, the foam is forced up and over pretty forcefully so it seems like the neck ends in a good place for that level of airflow. Perhaps in lower airflow skimmers you need the neck to extend up further?


manderx, that's a tough thing to measure. Do you have any more insight into how the performance is related to airflow? Are you also saying that you think some/most Deltec skimmers turn down the airflow to get more efficient/better skimming? Do you think that implies their design is a little deficient when it comes to supporting higher airflow? Don't you want your skimmer to be engineered to produce more small bubbles when you turn the air up (particularly when you supply both the skimmer and pump like Deltec does - I'm not bashing Deltec, just curious).

Al
 
"Hahn, the Sequence/Reeflo pump curves I've seen show that power usage decreases as head increases. So it seems that the addition of the beckett should reduce the power used rather than increase it." -alwest45

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As the head increases from 0, the wattage increases from 140ish to 160ish, before going down again. For many, this 'sweet spot' lands them at the 160watt mark. Not that I would suggest a Dart to power a beckett, but Cuda's and Hammerheads are the same, as are many other shaft driven pumps.

As for your conversation with WarrenG, one would assume that a beckett would draw more air because it has more ports, etc... but this is not always the case. If you look at how the conservation of energy equasions work, it pretty much says that the faster a liquid accelerates, the more it's pressure drops. So the smaller the pipe diameter, the faster the water must travel. And while the Mazzei might only have one port for air/water to pass through, and less area at that, rather than a large circle/ball to pass around with multiple air inlets, it is able to accelerate the water more, creating more of a vacuum. The Beckett could be assumed to draw in more air if it was considered that the airflow was restricted... but air has such a low viscosity that this just isnt the case. Keep in mind what Becketts were designed for... not skimmers, but as a low pressure foaming bubble nozzle for fountain pumps.... often run with lower pressure pumps. They were never designed to outperform a Mazzei/Venturi of good design.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8272513#post8272513 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
They were never designed to outperform a Mazzei/Venturi of good design.

Ahh, but they do. I guarantee that the Beckett manufacturers would use Mazzeis if they worked better at high flow rates. There is no reason not to.

Your logic is correct, but at the flow rates and pressures that we see in typical aquarium pumps, the Beckett just runs circles around a Mazzei.

Mazzeis were designed for injecting relatively low volumes of Oxygen or other gasses in to a water stream in industrial situations. They were not designed for skimmers either.
 
It is always tough to measure skimmer performance- I'd would like to mention that raw air flow is not very meaningful without considering the water flow too. While there is a maximum amount of air that can used and still get "foam" (and not just a top-off-of-the-blender effect), some designs can run just fine on far less than that maximum number. I'd suggest that a SCFH/GPM measurement might be useful, but that does ignore the system water volume which I feel has a far greater impact as the well-being of the inhabitants.

The three skimmer traits that have the most impact on how each skimmer performs are:
- Air flow (and associated bubble size)
- Water flow
- Water volume

And to a lesser extent, water path. These all combine in to some useful numbers:
Dwell time- skimmer water volume, divided by input water in gallons per second gives the number of seconds that the average water particle will be "in play" in the skimmer. This is a very rough average, as it depends greatly on the skimmer design. Picture a long tall counter-current tube, vs. a short square box. Both could have the same dwell number, but very different performance. But for similar physical designs of skimmers, this is a good measurement.
Contact length- This is somewhat overlooked, but I feel it is important. This is the minimum distance that every particle of water must travel before exiting the skimmer. For some designs, this could be as little as 6 inches. For others, it is over a hundred. For a full system picture the minimum, average and maximum numbers should be known.

As mentioned above, power draw is a valid concern, but as I've not seen the math posted yet, how about this:
165 watts is 1.375 Amps at 120VAC. Running 24/7 that is 27.7 K watt hours per week, or about 1441 KWH per year. I have dirt cheap power (less than $0.05 a KWH), so it would cost me $1.39 a week or $72 per year to run a 165W skimmer.

Mentioned above is the question "Why do Beckett's not have tapered necks?" As Hahn mentioned, a well designed, high-air flow skimmer does not benefit noticeably from a tapered neck in the 6-8" diameter models that we typically see in home aquaria. For my own designs, the negligible performance difference does not warrant the associated costs to use them.

There are always trade-offs in any design. I've noticed a tendency to assume the manufacturers don't know what they are doing (I do this myself for non reef-related things), but in reality, the big name manufacturers have all spent years trying different things out and selecting the best ideas to build. Look at Frank's article above- how many skimmer neck designs did PM test to find the best one? I've got a whole room full of test mules for various concepts. Some worked better, some didn't. Some worked well but were not worth the costs, as there was an easier way that became obvious during testing.

That's not to say there are not a few "features" out there that are purely marketing speak- try as we might, those sales guys do get in the way of us engineers at times. That's why they get the big bucks though. :)

Rough list in my suggested order of priority of things that impacts a skimmer's performance:
Tank volume
Tank inhabitants, including algae and any scrubbers (waste generation level, and type of waste)
Feeding regime
Skimmer's water flow / Air flow / Water volume
Skimmer intake/exit (Recirculating or flow-though)

In this thread, we are focusing only on the skimmer air flow, a subset of item 4 on my list, which just is not enough data in and of itself, to determine how a skimmer will perform in any situation.



These discussions are great- I really enjoy seeing the data too- Please keep it up. ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8272557#post8272557 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zephrant
Ahh, but they do. I guarantee that the Beckett manufacturers would use Mazzeis if they worked better at high flow rates. There is no reason not to.

Your logic is correct, but at the flow rates and pressures that we see in typical aquarium pumps, the Beckett just runs circles around a Mazzei.

Mazzeis were designed for injecting relatively low volumes of Oxygen or other gasses in to a water stream in industrial situations. They were not designed for skimmers either.

You dont even make your own stuff anymore, so you cant talk...lol:D At higher rates, yes, the beckett does perform better because its more restrictive and so it accelerates the water faster.

I would imagine a larger Mazzei would run circles around a Beckett just the same. Both are excellent mixers, FWIW... you just have to know how to use them properly.
 
Wow these thread keeps getting better.

I would add Foam stability to these 3 and probably put it at the top. But for some this is already a given.

"The three skimmer traits that have the most impact on how each skimmer performs are:
- Air flow (and associated bubble size)
- Water flow
- Water volume"

I agree that focusing on air volume only is not enough data to be completely useful, but it is a go starting point or ending point.

Bar mentioned the water flow but I don’t see those numbers in the web site. I no each pump will perform different but maybe they can give a example numbers for the becketts. (Iwaki 70 ;15 psi pump; pulling 45 scfh of air also allows XXX gallons of water or something like that)

Like I said alwest, ive not ever seen a Barr in action so it might not have that waste scum collecting issue. Also, I have not seen many many skimmers, so when I say all Becketts I should say that I’ve seen. Also cleaning inside the body of a skimmer is a personal issue for me because I spent many years cleaning tanks for a living and those 5 extra minutes here and their clean something that should no be dirty just gets me.

The watts thing is very interesting, I don’t think ive given that enough confederation (spell check, move to the south and this is what your spell check starts doing. lol ) in the past. My KWH is $0.10 so that Barr skimmer would cost me $142 dollars a year @162 watts. And my Mazzei 7’ skimmer cost me $340 a year, with the 340watts Iwaki 100rlt running it. When I switch it over to the NW & Air pump 100 watts total it cost $100 year. I for one am going to be a lot more power conscience (spell check please)in the future.

I tested the “New?” ER Gen-x 6000 I really like the pump/impeller combo run it detec style and its pretty quit to. Here the results I got on my skimmer at different head pressure. (note I may be reading my flow meter on the low side, but I compare impellers with the same flow meter and read it the same way. I think compared to how most people read their meter you could add 3 SCFH to those numbers)

Water head 6", - SCFH 41, - Watts 47 .
Water head 12", - SCFH 33, - Watts 50 .
Water head 18", - SCFH 28 - Watts 53 .
Water head 24", - SCFH 25, - Watts 59 .
Water head 30", - SCFH 23, - Watts 62 .
Water head 36", - SCFH 19, - Watts 65 .
Water head 42", - SCFH 18, - Watts 66 .
Water head 48", - SCFH 17, - Watts 68 .
Water head 54", - SCFH 15, - Watts 69 .

From what I can tell so far the BM type impeller beats it hands down. The the thing is different pumps are more faviortable to one impeller type over another and at different pressures.

As far as the Bubble Master I was wrong about the watts being 40 watts. They Dropped the Ehiem pump and went to 2 pumps now pulling 30 watts each for a total of 60 watts to produce 77SCFH.

The water to air ratio is 66% 2000 lph plus air to 3000 lph water. i think its like a skimmer neck without the body. from my math i figure it has about a 15 second dwell/contact time in the 9.5" body. i think that about the same as or more than most beketts, and the same as or a little less than most NWs.

heres a video. http://www.it-kontaktmanagement.de/bm_action.swf and here is their web site
http://www.atiaquaristik.com/index.php?id=91,0,0,1,0,0
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8272575#post8272575 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zephrant
It is always tough to measure skimmer performance- I'd would like to mention that raw air flow is not very meaningful without considering the water flow too. While there is a maximum amount of air that can used and still get "foam" (and not just a top-off-of-the-blender effect), some designs can run just fine on far less than that maximum number. I'd suggest that a SCFH/GPM measurement might be useful, but that does ignore the system water volume which I feel has a far greater impact as the well-being of the inhabitants.

Zephrant, while Beckett users always bring up "water flow" as a positive, I've seen nothing that justifies that.

My skimmer is a recirculating 8" needlewheel that pulls about 30scfh. I move roughly 150gph through it. When I increase the water flow, I get less skimmate, period. Its not a turbulence issue(water is injected before the pump, not into the cone like most recircs), its the decrease in contact time.
 
Al,

I plan on giving Euro-Reef a call today about the new impeller. Hopefully I will get them soon.

My Beckett skimmer is a MRC-3 with a 24" extension on it giving it a total height of 56.5". It is run by a panworld 250PS pump.

I dialed in the skimmer before I got my airflow meters and was very comfortable with the settings. When I tried to run it with the increased air it reacted and performed much differently then the old way and I just gave up and returned to the old way of doing it after about 2-3 days of tinkering with it.

I found the Sweet Spot at 32 scfh and it is great. By sweet spot I mean that the thing skims like a machine with no tinkering at all. When you find the sweet spot (it can take a while) then you generally don't want to change it.

I am sure that I can set this thing up with a full amount of air, I just need more patience.

I also clean the beckett when I see a decrease in airflow. In my experience it is every 3-4 months at the most.

Zephrant,

Is it water flow that we want to measure or water volume?

It seems to me that you want a certain air/water ratio and it wouldn't matter how fast the water was entering and exiting you will always have the same volume. A faster water flow will give you a higher turnover (which is good) and a slower water flow will give you a higher contact time (which is good).
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8272575#post8272575 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zephrant

As mentioned above, power draw is a valid concern, but as I've not seen the math posted yet, how about this:
165 watts is 1.375 Amps at 120VAC. Running 24/7 that is 27.7 K watt hours per week, or about 1441 KWH per year. I have dirt cheap power (less than $0.05 a KWH), so it would cost me $1.39 a week or $72 per year to run a 165W skimmer.


Wow, my little thread is getting the heavyweights to weigh in. I am honored. I'm also envious of your electricity rates. I think the national average is about 10 cents a KW so that's the number I use to do calculations. But I also noticed that my tank electrical usage is overwhelmingly dominated by my lighting and chiller. Switching to 250w HQI lights with better reflectors will do a lot more for my electricity usage. Now I'm breaking my own rule that I don't want to turn this discussion into an electricity usage discussion. I want to keep focused on which skimmer will do a better job of keeping my acros happy and colorful.

I do really like your point about not just focusing on air flow. The other things you mention ( Tank volume, Tank inhabitants, Feeding regime) are clearly very important but are not variables in my case (i.e. they will be the same regardless of which skimmer I choose). I'm going to do more analysis and try to factor in water flow and water volume and see what comes up. Does anyone know how to post charts and tables here? Do I first have to convert them to an image and then import the image?

Al
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8274153#post8274153 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DocG
Al,

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Zephrant,

Is it water flow that we want to measure or water volume?

It seems to me that you want a certain air/water ratio and it wouldn't matter how fast the water was entering and exiting you will always have the same volume. A faster water flow will give you a higher turnover (which is good) and a slower water flow will give you a higher contact time (which is good).

DocG, taken to the extreme this seems clear. If you had a very large volume of water in your skimmer (say 30 gallons) then you would get very good numbers if you weighted things by how large the volume was but if your flow rate was tiny (say 10 gph) then it seems clear in this example that's not what you want. I'm not sure I see what is wrong with focusing on water flow. Sure if the water flows too fast you'll miss some organics that you could have picked up if it was slower but you'll get another chance when that water flows through the skimmer again. It's almost like looking at your whole tank as the recirculation reservoir for your skimmer (rather than just the skimmer body being the recirc reservoir).

Now I'm going to step in it. I know sacred cows are off limits for some people. But as I think about this I'm not sure I get the whole recirculating skimmer advantage. Yes, the water stays in the skimmer longer with a recirc design but every loop through the pump destroys the old bubble (which carries the organics) and creates a new bubble which has to attract the DOC again. How is this better? I thought I saw an article recently (I think it was by Randy Holmes-Farley but it could have been someone else - if anyone knows I would appreciate a reference) that made the case that you need to pull the skimmer water directly from the water entry in your sump. They recommended that you minimize the dilution of your "dirty water just in from your tank" with the rest of your sump water. The point was that your skimmer does a more efficient job if you can send it the dirtiest water and letting already skimmed or algae processed water mix in with the dirty water will be less effective.

So imagine now that we view the sump and the skimmer as a single system and we use the sump to hold the recirc water for the skimmer. Doesn't this mean that you are going to be less efficient when you start skimming the "already skimmed" water? Wouldn't you be better off just sending the skimmed water back to your tank and getting more "dirty water" (not yet skimmed) to process in your skimmer?

Ok, there. I said it. I don't get the recirculation concept. I am about to jump on an airplane so any flames will not hit me until much later. I'm not trying to start a thermonuclear war. I'm just not sure I understand how recirculation in the skimmer is a big winner. Judging from the skimmer company offerings it seems like it is. But having to regenerate bubbles from already skimmed water doesn't seem like the most efficient approach unless your skimmer is undersized for your system and you know you can't really lower the overall DOC in your tank.

One final request. I know this topic will generate lots of handwaving. I know how to handwave too but that approach will be unsatisfying (at least to me). Does anyone know of real numbers or research that demonstrates that recirculation in a protein skimmer works better than just building a bigger/better skimmer. Because that's the tradeoff we are making. The skimmer companies charge more for the recirculation design skimmers (in many cases). For the same dollars we could get a bigger or better non-recirculating skimmer. Why isn't that the better approach?

I will change into my asbestos suit on the plane so I will be well protected when I next join this discussion.

Al
 
Your geting into plumping issue with the dirtest water thing. You can plumb ANY type of skimmer to take water directly from the tank period, via the overflow. (In sump, recirc., nw, beckett, DD ANY skimmer) that just a simple matter of hooking it up that way.
 
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I think recirc vs non recirc is a little off topic but it your thread and you do need to concider the flow control that only recirc's offer.

Recir
Control, infinite flow control if you want to flow 10 GPH or 500 GPH you can do that. (remember water in = water out, so what the pump does with the water does not mater)
Less back pressure on pump allows it you pull a little more air in.
External installation. &
Less heat in system from submerged pumps
Easier plumping to direct feed the skimmer from the tank.
 
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