blue ring

I have a small octo that I pickup snorkling in Key Biscayne in Florida, theres no blue rings and the 1" little creature is hiding for 3 weeks now. Theres no fish in the tank I have him. I have 2 questions. First, and most important can he be a blue ring in Florida?, how can i find out? and second what can i do to have him come out of hiding?
 
Gonadactylus how come in Greece they are very large ? and some people are saying they live for a very long time ? In Turkey theres caves with giant octopus that are 100 lb and up. This is no fiction because all the fisherman are saying the same thing. From what i read so far, and I read a site thats dedicated for cephalopods, they are saying they live only for 2 years, 6 months etc, and very small in size. Have you ever heard of giant octopus in Mediterranean?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9171971#post9171971 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by rabidcrab
id be worried about keeping it alive
not you alive
how many times have you seen sum1 get bitten by an octopus?
excactly.
they are afraid of you.
octopusses are not easy to keep alive bulldragon

The thing is that most people do not keep blue rings. While most octos only have camoflage as a defense and a small bite buried in soft flesh the blue ring has a powerful toxin. If you look at Poison Dart frogs you fins that they have a toxin and that they advertise to that effect (a lot like showing off blue rings) and that while frogs are generally scared animals PDF's have lost their fear, because almost nothing eats them.
 
from what I have read, the blue ring shows off the rings best when stressed or upset and that one of two things will happen..you will die or the blue ring will die. I can understand peoples fascination with deadly creatures its a status symbol like pitbulls. We know the risk but our egos need inflated by telling our friends we have something no one else does. If you want a truly amazing specimen thats rare for a specimen and won't kill you or a family member how about a flambouyant cuddlefish. And of course if have done any research on blue rings through this site you would know that you were going to get nothing positive.
 
Flamboyant cuttlefish are hard to find and are infact poisonous. Blue rings are not poisonous, but rather are venomous, an important distinction.

Personally I don't think anyone who isn't going to put some serious effort and study into a breeding atempt should try to keep flamboyant cuttlefish.
 
I personaly wouldn't keep a blue ring just to avoid a problem. As far as Octos being agressive, I have caught Vulgaris in the wild under rocks and taken them out of the water in the palm of my hand and never been bitten. Does agressivness change from subspecies to subspecies? I have no idea. But then again I've kept venomus Seagoblins.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9759997#post9759997 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Opcn
Flamboyant cuttlefish are hard to find and are infact poisonous.


That case hasn't been closed yet. The only place this has been said so far is a Nova show, there has yet to be a paper found with the conclusions. Not saying it isn't true, but caution is warrented when talking about facts.

Personally I don't think anyone who isn't going to put some serious effort and study into a breeding atempt should try to keep flamboyant cuttlefish.

Absolutely.
 
I lived in sydney for 7 months back in 2003. While I was there, I saw two Blue Rings being held in home tanks ... one looked terrible ... the other looked healthy and had been there for about 6 months

As a side note, here's a pic of one I took while diving at Bare Island :)

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dangerous and boring. lol, what's the point? [/B]


what are we talking about women or fish? jkjk

but seriusly it is our duty to inform you of the danger of keeping a blue ring, everyone against keeping blue rings in captivity have their reasons and those who are not against it have their reasons. I know what i am saying will make no im,pact n ur decision but im sure everyne feels the same when we just want you to now how dangerus the animal is.
 
http://www.hibiotech.com/diagprodsales/atetro.htm I found this today, which bums me out because I spent a good three weeks looking for something along the lines of this and couldn't find it until I started looking for an O. Mercatoris. I was preparing to do the same things as a research project, First step towards an antidote is what that is.
 
I kept a blue ring for a over a year in a 29 gal. It did fine. If you do get a blue ring give alot to do or it will escape or you can keep in a tank with an Eclipse hood, like I did.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10208434#post10208434 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by KhawMengLee
My local fish supplier just got 4 of them. Two have died but the other two are alive and kicking.

I hope they inform all of their potential buyers of the toxicity of this animal and the care that is needed to keep it alive. Keeping an octopus is different than keeping a fish, as most people know. Some people probably wonder why everyone makes such a big deal out of the blue ring being venomous when poisonous fish like lionfish and rabbitfish are sold almost without warning.

First of all, this animal can KILL a human in a matter of minutes. There is no antidote for the venom and probably the only way you would have a chance to survive a bite from a blue ring octopus is by cutting off all blood flow in or out of the bit area or by amputation. Octopuses are sneaky, tricky, smart animals and if you make one angry by accident while moving stuff around, installing a new pump, or while doing maintenance there is a chance he will sneak up and attack you, blending in with rocks and sand on his way, making you octopus food.

Secondly, octopuses take a great deal of care to maintain and keep alive. Most of them will not ever take dead food and they must be watched closely to make sure they are happy and healthy. Before you get an octopus you need to be prepared to devote several hours a day to your pet in case you need to. Carcasses of shrimp, crabs, and snails usually have to be cleaned up after the octopus feeds. This puts your hand in the tank at least once a day and it gives your octopus another chance to bite you.

Lastly, I believe blue rings should only be kept by scientists in dedicated labs, or by public aquariums that fully know the risks of keeping them. Anyone fish store that carries them should be frowned upon. These beautiful octopuses should be left in the wild, in public aquariums or in the labratory. They are too dangerous for home aquaria and the only way they should be released to be kept as pets is if the venom is taken out of the octopus. Blue rings are wonderful creatures that I could stare at for days but they are not suitable for anyone to keep at home.

*End rant*


On a side note, flamboyant cuttlefish are rare and don't live long. If you find one they will be in the $200s if you are lucky and they will most likely be adults with not long to live. Also I don't believe we know their numbers in the wild, so they are best not collected or requested now or anytime in the near future.

If you are looking for a ceph as a pet, just go with a tank friendly species. Commonly kept octopus species are Bimaculoides, Mercatoris, Joubini, Vulgaris, and Aculeatus. Commonly kept cuttlefish are Bandensis and Officialis (in a large tank only). There may be a couple other cuttles that are kept regularly, but I don't know them; I'm more familier with octopuses.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10208882#post10208882 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Echidna09
I hope they inform all of their potential buyers of the toxicity of this animal and the care that is needed to keep it alive. Keeping an octopus is different than keeping a fish, as most people know. Some people probably wonder why everyone makes such a big deal out of the blue ring being venomous when poisonous fish like lionfish and rabbitfish are sold almost without warning.

First of all, this animal can KILL a human in a matter of minutes. There is no antidote for the venom and probably the only way you would have a chance to survive a bite from a blue ring octopus is by cutting off all blood flow in or out of the bit area or by amputation. Octopuses are sneaky, tricky, smart animals and if you make one angry by accident while moving stuff around, installing a new pump, or while doing maintenance there is a chance he will sneak up and attack you, blending in with rocks and sand on his way, making you octopus food.

Secondly, octopuses take a great deal of care to maintain and keep alive. Most of them will not ever take dead food and they must be watched closely to make sure they are happy and healthy. Before you get an octopus you need to be prepared to devote several hours a day to your pet in case you need to. Carcasses of shrimp, crabs, and snails usually have to be cleaned up after the octopus feeds. This puts your hand in the tank at least once a day and it gives your octopus another chance to bite you.

Lastly, I believe blue rings should only be kept by scientists in dedicated labs, or by public aquariums that fully know the risks of keeping them. Anyone fish store that carries them should be frowned upon. These beautiful octopuses should be left in the wild, in public aquariums or in the labratory. They are too dangerous for home aquaria and the only way they should be released to be kept as pets is if the venom is taken out of the octopus. Blue rings are wonderful creatures that I could stare at for days but they are not suitable for anyone to keep at home.

*End rant*


On a side note, flamboyant cuttlefish are rare and don't live long. If you find one they will be in the $200s if you are lucky and they will most likely be adults with not long to live. Also I don't believe we know their numbers in the wild, so they are best not collected or requested now or anytime in the near future.

If you are looking for a ceph as a pet, just go with a tank friendly species. Commonly kept octopus species are Bimaculoides, Mercatoris, Joubini, Vulgaris, and Aculeatus. Commonly kept cuttlefish are Bandensis and Officialis (in a large tank only). There may be a couple other cuttles that are kept regularly, but I don't know them; I'm more familier with octopuses.

Yeah, when I saw them in the tanks(each kept in an isolation bottle) I was thinking...oh, crap. I grew up in Australia and had heard enough nightmare stories about the little fellas.

I had mentioned how poisonous they were and since they acknowledged the fact didn't want to go further.

This place is interesting though, in that because he is a supplier to overseas markets for live rock and marine life, he does on occasion get the weirdest things come in.
 
Seeing as how the first symptom of TTXpoisoning is a slow creeping nubnes from the site by the time any syptoms set in it would be too late to restrict blood flow mechanically or to amputate, which is a bad idea any ways. The truth of the matter is that unless you get a very large dose which can apperently stop your heart all you need in order to survive is a respirator and 24-48 hours to work the toxin out of your system naturally.
 
Zoa's can't do a thing to you unless you are really stupid and do one of the big reef no-no's like reaching in to the tank with broken skin or touching your face/mouth/eating with out washing your hands. Paly toxin from zoas is a Ca++ channel blocker and is about 10X as toxic as TTX, Malotoxin is another marine toxin and I think it is about 5X stronger than palytoxin, its also a Ca++ blocker, together these three marine toxins account for the three strongest known non-protenacious toxins to my knowledge.
 
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