Blue Striped or Clarkii?

I have not had good results mixing meds. All fish that I have mixed meds on to date have died. This may be a result of their weakened state more so than the meds but I have no way of knowing.

I also want to question your suggestion to use copper to treat brooklynella. Is copper indicated for treatment of brook? I didn't think that it was.

I have minimal experience with treating endoparacites. I've heard prazi pro mentioned frequently. Is that the industry standard?
 
I use Prazipro on all incomming fish for flukes and internal parasites.

Carefull if using Cupramine copper and Formalin dips. Formalin causes Cupramine to go from Cu+2 to Cu+1 which is 10x as toxic to fish.
 
Yeah, I don't think she meant to mix them... which is what I've done in the past. It sounds like sound advise if you're trying to treat more than one illness. You're dipping with formalin between copper baths. I think my quarrantine is pretty good but my treatment regamin just changed as a result of that last post. The only thing is I would prefer to treat a fish with ick or amyloodinium that way instead and just stick with formalin baths for brook. I see no reason one couldn't do a formalin dip followed by a formalin bath for brook.
 
No, I didn't think so either. But it was a warning to be extra carefull when dipping to not transfer any Formalin into the copper tank.
 
No mixing copper w/Formalin right now. Formalin dip in a separate container followed by copper in a 10G hospital tank. Fish gets rinsed before getting into copper. Copper is not to treat brook, but to fight other possible problems. I do not want to wait for clear symptoms, it will be prophylactic measure at this point.

PraziPro works well for internal parasites, and all wc clowns come loaded with them.

LargeAngels, how are your chrys doing? Do you still have them?
 
Day 6

Feed them at 2PM and both are eating very well. Just performed 5 gallons water changed and dose cooper. Salinity remains at 1.009.

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stonecold said:
Day 6

Feed them at 2PM and both are eating very well. Just performed 5 gallons water changed and dose cooper. Salinity remains at 1.009.
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Did he mean Copper instead of cooper? if so here is an excerpt from:
http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums...ents/23130-copper-treatment-use-problems.html
DANGER !!!

Treating with copper cannot be done with many other treatments and medications. Copper should not be used with any kind of sulfa-based antibiotic.
Never perform a copper treatment in a hyposaline solution. The copper becomes lethal to marine fishes in such a low salt concentration.
Hyposalinity only cures one parasite -- Marine Ich (Cryptocaryon irritans). Copper kills Marine Ich also, so there is no purpose in doing both the copper AND a hyposalinity treatment at the same time (see above red).

And another excerpt from: http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums...nts/23131-hyposalinity-treatment-process.html

DO NOT USE AN ELEVATED TEMPERATURE during treatment. DO NOT ADD ANY OTHER MEDICATIONS TO HYPOSALINE SALTWATER without knowing it is approved by the medicine manufacturer for use specifically during a hyposalinity treatment. When fish are in a hyposaline liquid, the effects of medicines and medications changes. Some meds become lethal, like copper. NEVER USE COPPER when doing the hyposalinity treatment.
 
I've used copper in hyposalinity on clowns without killing them. The key here is to monitor pH closely and adjust it accordingly.

This is from Seachem Forum (technical support staff answers the question about Cupramine use in hypo)

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache...inity&cd=58&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=safari

"After 6 weeks of Cupramine in my display tank, I thought the Ich was gone. I used Cuprasorb to take out the Cupramine. Two day later my Tang showed spots again. I believe the parasite was still living in the gills of some of the fish or that the parasite was saturated in the 120 lbs of LR and all the sand. I am switching to hyposalinity in my display tank and have removed all the LR and a lot ot the sand. My question is, can Cupramine be used during hyposalinity at 1.009? is this safe? Is it harder on the fish? Would the qauntity change due to the reduced salinity?

Tech Support RB
03-15-2005, 12:00
It can be safe to use Cupramine during a hyposalinity treatment. Keep in mind that some fish may be sensitive to hyposalinity treatments and some fish may be sensitive to copper based remedies. Cupramine is still effective as low as .2 mg/l if you wish to keep it on the lower end of it's effective range during a hyposalinity treatment to avoid any additional stress on this particular fish (although I have successfully used it at .4 - .5 mg/l concentration during a hyposalinity treatment)."

We are doing a very aggressive treatment here, and it is not recommended as standard by any means.

Chrysopterus have dismal survival rate upon arrival, and absolute majority of them die without treatment.
 
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On that note; I saw a cool quote the other day in an e-mail....

"Anything is possible when you don't know what you're talking about."

I think that will be my next signature.
 
I've read Lee's posts from years ago here on RC. His advice was solid. I cannot answer your question why he wrote what he wrote. Maybe it is a general guidance, and he wants to play it 100% safe.

My goal is not to play safe here, but to make these silly chrysopterus live. And I've done it many times before. YMMV :)
 
I'm gonna accuse Marina of something she may or may not:
A. be guilty of
B. admit to one way or the other

It was rumored some time ago that someone (female) was buying all the chrysopterus from Roozen's before they hit his tanks in an attempt to give them better odds of surviving. I've always assumed that was Marina based on the relatively small number of females in the reefing hobby who are nuts over clowns and happen to live in NoVA. I guess it could have been Joyce Wilkerson too but I thought she lived in Western VA.

Anyhoo, if it's Marina she will definately have more knowledge on chrysopterus than pretty much any hobbyist I can think of.

Wanted to add something... even the best experts will post things that contracdict one another over the course of time because things are always changing in the hobby and what myy have been true ten years ago may not be true today. A lot of advances have been made in the last 20 years. The later the date the more advances are being made.
 
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I did buy a few chrys from the named source, but hardly all of them. There were a lot of test subjects, many of which reside in the tanks across the US now. Some "reside" in a jar of Formalin in the basement :(

But in the end it was all worth it

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I was a bit peeved when I found out why I couldn't buy any there but I would have done the same if I had the dedication and money at the time.
 
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