Bombing the DT with lethal dose of copper and cuprisorb it out?

[johnsonlwu]

Anyone tried it on a fallow semi-live rock bare bottom tank?

Fishes removed to HT. Currently treating with RidIch+ (pomacanthids) hypo and daily partial water changes to prevent ammonia (cant to RODI, need prime doesn't go well with Cupramine in HT). Keeping fingers crossed.

Want to shorten the fallow time of the DT. No inverts, pretty much all semi live base rock (was real live rock years ago)

Can I blast it with a lethal dose of ozone + Cu + UV ( free Cu+) to kill all swarmers in the water and cuprisorb then cycle it quickly with bacteria in say 1 week?

 

[thax]

i don't think you can pull the cu out of rocks and it will leach back in to the water? you could acid wash the rocks after i guess.

just leave the dt with no fish for 8 weeks.

 

[johnsonlwu]

not sure if my fish can last 8 weeks in a plastic tub even if I change water everyday

 

[Newsmyrna80]

I take it you have a FOWLR tank. Depending on the size of your main you could take the live rock out and sterilize the main and all the equipment. Leave it to dry for a few days. Put the LR in a clean container and leave fallow for the remainder of your fallow period. In the meantime treat the fish with a proven treatment such as TT. Rid-Ich, IME does not work.
Use BioSpira or some other way to jump start the biological filter and you can use Prime at the same time.

 

[johnsonlwu]

Spots gone and now am using Kanaplex to deal with the white patches from sores.
I guess the hypo + RidIch did something (1.015 + 7 drops ridich per gallon only, replenishing with every water change)
Just did a 25% water change in HT with and added a wee bit of Cryptopro also.
Again I dare not use copper. Killed too many pomacanthids this way... currently in HT are 2 clowns 1 emperor 1 blueface and 1 singaporean, not feeding them anything fearing poop ammonia contamination but all curiously swimming around, 5th day now.

My FOW*L*R had gravel till last week and vacuuming the gravel during the start of the outbreak made it 100x worse so I ditched the sand.
Eheim filter and sump bioballs still there. Circulation is plenty and fierce.
The LR was given to me 6 mths ago dried and I soaked it in this DT for a month before use.
Pretty much dead rock but it harbors something I guess.

I am blasting the water with UV and ozone, just hesitant to do Cupramine.
Will definitely stop ozone for a day before I put any fish back.

 

[ThRoewer]

Copper won't help and just messes up your tank and ruins the rocks forever.

If you want you could sterilize the entire tank with pure NaOH (natrium/sodium hydroxide), which turns water into a strong lye. After a few days you can neutralize it with HCl (hydrochloric acid) which will combine with the lye to table salt (NaCl) and water (H2O):

NaOH + HCl => NaCl + H2O​

This procedure will effectively bleach your tank and remove anything organic. In the end you just have the bleached rocks.

As for the procedure itself:
1. drain all saltwater
2. fill the tank with tap water
3. add NaOH
4. let it soak a week
5. neutralize lye by adding HCl until pH is 7 (neutral)
6. drain the neutralized solution
7. fill tank again with tap water and let it soak for another week.
8. check pH of soaking water daily and add HCl if ph goes over 8
9. if pH stays stable in the 8 to 7 range drain soaking water
10. fill tank with saltwater and let it cycle for a month or two
(I would add some fresh live rock to seed the tank with the required bacteria and micro fauna)

Now, I don't know if this gives you a quicker result than simply waiting 11 weeks.

 

[johnsonlwu]

Hmm I guess my filter media and bioballs have to be trashed and the tanks starting

Hmm I guess my filter media and bioballs have to be trashed and the tanks starting

new from zero again.... boy what a drag.

The ich likely came from a clam or an oyster trimming. I normally feed pellets and that 55g tank has been stable for a long time.

 

[johnsonlwu]

bacterial infection and septicemia went rampant in the hospital tank despite twice daily 25% water changes. Killed everything eventually when I valiantly tried putting a small measure of Kanaplex every day for 2 days into my 23 gallon bucket thats filled with 17 gal or so. They were all OK on days 4 and 5 in the HT, then all heck broke loose with septicemia.... just like my previous disasters with copper but only this time its RidIch which is formalin and malachite green AFAIK.

 

[thax]

Your doing something wrong to kill all your fish in qt becues they have ich. Ich is not even that bad unless its far along. Having them in a bucket im thinking lack of o2 played a role your qt has to be sized right you cant put 10 fish in a bucket and think they will live.

Also ridich doesn't do any thing last I read.

What is your qt tank and gow many fish did you have in it? Can you take pics.

Next time if your using buckets do ttm.

 

[ThRoewer]

Your doing something wrong to kill all your fish in qt becues they have ich. Ich is not even that bad unless its far along. ...

+1

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Also ridich doesn't do any thing last I read.

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Oh, it is highly effective in doing what it was designed for: to rid you of your money!

 

[johnsonlwu]

O2 might have, I had 1 small blue face, 1 changing imperator, 1 Singaporean, and 2 clowns in it.
Vigorous circulation with rio 600, an internal sponge filter, and a Koralia 425.
Sunday the temp did rise to 82F and that's when the septicemia kicked in.
No spots, just twitching, bloodshot pectorals, and gilling.
Guess I should have lowered the concentration of the RidIch (I replenished it with each daily water change) despite the twitching and probably not used Kanaplex.

 

[johnsonlwu]

Last TT killed all

Last TT killed all

Most had signs of septicemia already
The old bucket has kanaplex and Ridich
The new one did not. No, not RODI water but prepped more than 12 hours before with prime and Novaqua and rigorous circulation to mix.
Temp and pH and SG same.
Once the fishes were transferred the clowns died within 8 hours and the emperor choked within 12

 

[ThRoewer]

What disease did you treat your fish against?
TTM only works against ich (Cryptocaryon). It treats nothing else.
Your losses sound more like velvet, brook or uronema. All of those can only be treated with medication, CP being the most effective followed by formalin. Copper doesn't do anything against brook and uronema.

 

[johnsonlwu]

It started with ich (crypto), healed on day 3 in QT but something else developed that looked like uronema. No copper. Should have used CP I have a small bag I got from Ebay a while ago, stashed it somewhere and forgot. Did use CryptoPro (quinine) + RidIch (formaldehyde + malachite green) that worked against the spots but the cloudy eyes and slimy body and bloodshot fins did them in. I was just told that applying the Kanaplex for the cloudy eyes and slimy body while the Ridich was in the HT water was a mistake.