Brazillian Queen Angelfish question?

[SDguy]

Huma, those are gorgeous. So jealous that you have a tank that you can actually do that with!!!

 

[humaguy]

thanks...they are doing well together...hope that continues...

 

[mattsilvester]

Matt,

Do you have any current pictures of your P. imperator? Not to derail the thread... I been reading and looking over some pictures highlighting the differences in P. imperator from the Red Sea versus Indonesia.

..... no sorry, I don't ..... about 2 years ago I relocated from Ireland to Bangkok, Thailand. Obvisouly, that meant stripping down my 240

Red sea - some say the yellow is stronger and the blue is more bluer ..... personally, I don't see it..... there is a difference with the so called "orange tailed" emporers and every now and then you'll get a fish with particualrly strong colours - my guess is however that after a period in captivity, they will all fade a little to a pretty standard colour..... and if you're getting a juv. then it makes little odds.

This guy is a beauty though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-XA62zbGC8

I would recommend a juv. by the way for no other reason than the sense of pride one gets in raising one through to adult colours; it is not "rare" per say, but the majority either don't make it that far, or survive a long time and never fully develop a clean set of lines.

 

[mattsilvester]

Humaguy,

:beer:

Thanks for posting pictures of your two queens. It's interesting to see the difference in coloration. The difference in mouth coloration between the two different regional H. ciliaris seems distinct. I have trouble seeing the body coloration differences in your pictures.

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Another more recent picture of my Queen. Guess you're hoping your juveniles grow up together and become peaceful adults?

Seems he has grown more yellow ..... how big is he now?

 

[Triton_Z]

Seems he has grown more yellow ..... how big is he now?

It's likely just the lighting or the exposure. The pictures are about 3 months apart. It's just over 7" not counting the streamers.

 

[Triton_Z]

..... no sorry, I don't ..... about 2 years ago I relocated from Ireland to Bangkok, Thailand. Obvisouly, that meant stripping down my 240

Ah, I see. That's a move.

This guy is a beauty though:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-XA62zbGC8

I would recommend a juv. by the way for no other reason than the sense of pride one gets in raising one through to adult colours; it is not "rare" per say, but the majority either don't make it that far, or survive a long time and never fully develop a clean set of lines.

Thanks for the link on the video. I see the tail on this Emperor is more orange. I wish I could have raised this queen from a juvenile in order to see the juv-adult transition. At last, I waited a good while to find this one as my good, local LFS had a collection of adults come in from a collector in Florida. This one appeared healthy and with good color, so I picked it up.

 

[Triton_Z]

Today's LADD with a Caribbean adult Queen Angelfish. Blue mouth/snout.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=149044

Then another Brazilian adult been there for awhile longer I think and yellow mouth and snout. The Brazilian commands quite a bit more in price as well.

http://www.liveaquaria.com/diversden/ItemDisplay.cfm?c=2733+3&ddid=148202

Humaguy, you got me wondering whether mouth/snout coloration is a reliable indicator of origin.

 

[humaguy]

I have always wondered that too...sure there are variations but...cant find anything in any books about it...

 

[WuHT]

WuHT - I've seen some real muts turn into real beauties, and some stunning little 2" guys turn into ugly bland muts (admitedly not first hand, but from online photo diaries etc.).

Good stuff, my thoughts are the same on the best looking for the 3 posted (picture quality may have something to make me less objective though heh).

Its probably the same for fish like the niger trigger (though less pronounced) in that they sometimes look turquoise, sometimes blue, and sometimes purple

 

[philter4]

Then another Brazilian adult been there for awhile longer I think and yellow mouth and snout. The Brazilian commands quite a bit more in price as well.

Humaguy, you got me wondering whether mouth/snout coloration is a reliable indicator of origin.

That is strange that the Brazilian queen is more money, from a collector a Brazilian queen is about 1/3 to 1/2 the price compared to the Florida queens, mostly because the FL queens are not as common as they are in Brazil and there are no blues that far south to hybridize with the queens, they are just more common the further south you go in their range.

Just like body color, mouth/snout color is an individual characteristic, not a local color pattern, although it is more common in some areas over others, probably because of the genetics, if the parents have that trait the young will have a higher percentage of having it as well.

 

[mattsilvester]

It's likely just the lighting or the exposure. The pictures are about 3 months apart. It's just over 7" not counting the streamers.

Jealous.com

I drive myself nuts sometimes. I'm really trying hard to get into reefing. I've just set up a 150 gal tank which is (1) the smallest tank I've had in years and (2) the first real attempt at a reef. I am quite excited about it, and so far have been enjoying the corals and the extra dimension that it brings to the hobby. But then I get talking about queens and triggers and tangs and suddenly I feel like I am just going against the grain.......

 

[Luiz Rocha]

That is strange that the Brazilian queen is more money, from a collector a Brazilian queen is about 1/3 to 1/2 the price compared to the Florida queens, mostly because the FL queens are not as common as they are in Brazil and there are no blues that far south to hybridize with the queens, they are just more common the further south you go in their range.

Just like body color, mouth/snout color is an individual characteristic, not a local color pattern, although it is more common in some areas over others, probably because of the genetics, if the parents have that trait the young will have a higher percentage of having it as well.

Not necessarily, there are only two places in Brazil where they are really common, the states of Ceara and Rio Grande do Norte, and that is where most of the ones from Brazil are exported. They are uncommon everywhere else. But there is a lot of variation even within Brazil.

 

[Triton_Z]

Just like body color, mouth/snout color is an individual characteristic, not a local color pattern, although it is more common in some areas over others, probably because of the genetics, if the parents have that trait the young will have a higher percentage of having it as well.

Thanks Philter. Just like dimples...

Guess not a good way to use physical appearance to determine origin.

 

[humaguy]

Thanks Luiz...

 

[SUP]

I posted a thread today with my "supposedly Townsend Angelfish." Cansomeone take a look at the thread I posted today and let me know if you think it is a Townsend (cross between blue / queen) or a queen angel.

Thanks,

SUP

 

[humaguy]

I will post a few pics of bothe my queens tomorrow...

 

[phk36]

Hi all my local fish store has a large one and a small one . I have had one in the past and the best color is the Townsend and it is a cross breed but common you can see it in the juvi colors as well

 

[humaguy]

if you are comparing a Townsend to a Queen...no way...an adult Queen will blow away a Townsend...a Townsend is across of a blue and a queen and is thus slightly washed out in coloration...