happysak
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Never had problems with Kent.
There was a time when science thought, that world is flat
Brightwell Aquatics NeoZeo method.
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Never had problems with Kent.
There was a time when science thought, that world is flat
newsalt
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NO3 (Salifert) = 0.00
PO4 (Hanna) = 1st Test: .018, 2nd Test: 0.08
I have a small piece of white eggcrate in the tank with a few frags on it. Do you thing the eggcrate is leaching PO4 into the water?
Tony Romano
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No - but you can test it, put some in RO water after testing water for PO4 level, leave in a week then test again.
Tony Romano
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Seems damn odd to me that you NO3 is zero and PO is so high. Are the details of your tank online or can you send me in e-mail? (IMO) PO4 is easy to fix...NO3 is the bugger.
I have been using kent forever, seemed fine to me. When I started there was not much out besides Kent! The Brightwell line is the next generation of Kent from what I understand.
I have been using kent forever, seemed fine to me. When I started there was not much out besides Kent! The Brightwell line is the next generation of Kent from what I understand.
FFrankie
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What's the price tag difference? I too always struggled paying once a month for rocks. LOL.
If I was using Neozeo products then I would use there stones also Tony.
I do know that there are many types of zeolites and some are better then others for housing the bacteria that grow on them. I also know that the ones ZEOvit sell are extensively tested just for this purpose. I have seen microscopic photo's that show the difference and it was clear that the ones ZEOvit sell had the better denser population in comparison with a few other safe ones for the hobby.
that wasnt science that was a king and or queen demanding you believe in something or you were killed.
theres a difference between science and general consensus.
Unfortunately - what we have is "learned opinion" -not science/proof - from may folks on this forum.
If it were true irrefutable proof - WHY would anyone choose to do anything different?
My point is simple - and thank you for quoting it again, - Why not allow everyone an opportunity to try various methods, and share their experiences? Sounds like you have formed an "anti" opinion of several companies that many others think are the best there in existance.So - you limit yourself from learning, because you have such a bias - that even if there is ONE product, or method from a manufacturer which others find to be "the next big thing"- but you despise the manufacturer - I don't think you would ever allow yourself to benefit from it! How sad that truly is......You can certainly choose to hate who you wish, for whatever reason you think makes sense.
Me - I am always interested in whatever new technology comes to market. Sometimes it actually improves something in my systems.
Just a few years ago - products hit the market claiming that they could replace the typical long cycle time of a new tank start up. I doubted them, but gave one a try....and guess what...IT WORKED....
So, - let's try not to condem anything without the real experience prooving it does not work, O.K.? That's all I am saying.
T
montrealreef
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could not agree with you more teesquare!
MedicBMC
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Hi everyone! I just jumped on the bandwagon and have initiated project neozeo on my 75g. My tank has been up and running for about 2 months.
SPECS:
75G net water
6x54w t5ho tek elite
Reef Octopus nw-110
RKL w/ ph, ATO
hydor evolution 1400 soon to be mp40w
Right now I've got approx. 150g of stones in a Two little fishies phosphate reactor w/ a mini-jet 404 dialed down to approx 25gph. I've been dosing 4ml of MB7 a day. I have opted out of buying the RBF due to the fact that I turn 21 in 3 weeks and will be buying a bottle of vodka especially for my tank =].
My question is should I follow the same dosing instructions with vodka as I would be with RBF?
SPECS:
75G net water
6x54w t5ho tek elite
Reef Octopus nw-110
RKL w/ ph, ATO
hydor evolution 1400 soon to be mp40w
Right now I've got approx. 150g of stones in a Two little fishies phosphate reactor w/ a mini-jet 404 dialed down to approx 25gph. I've been dosing 4ml of MB7 a day. I have opted out of buying the RBF due to the fact that I turn 21 in 3 weeks and will be buying a bottle of vodka especially for my tank =].
My question is should I follow the same dosing instructions with vodka as I would be with RBF?
What I am saying is that I do not believe YOU or I are qualified to say it is "garbage".
Even if a given product does not work for me - I am smart enough to understand - and I believe you are as well - that there are a host of variables that can influence whether or not something will work for me.
Once we get beyond the very most basic of the tank chemistry - it is easy to become a critic, if we do not understand fully how every detail plays out in the complexity of the chemical stew in our tanks.
I have close friends that use products in theirtanks that I would never be comfortable with. But it works for them - so who am I ( or you) to condemn them, or the product? It's certainly not costing me - or - you money, is it?
So, can we just try to be a little more open minded, and not so negative?
T
just so you know im not condemning, or however its spelled, anyone. im just try to save you money and this is my last reponse to this post.
im trying to say that, in regards to this statement:
"Once we get beyond the very most basic of the tank chemistry - it is easy to become a critic, if we do not understand fully how every detail plays out in the complexity of the chemical stew in our tanks."
we do know how the details of chemistry play out. theres no mystery or awe about any of it and thats what im getting from your posts.
we do understand fully and have for a long time.
im trying to say that, in regards to this statement:
"Once we get beyond the very most basic of the tank chemistry - it is easy to become a critic, if we do not understand fully how every detail plays out in the complexity of the chemical stew in our tanks."
we do know how the details of chemistry play out. theres no mystery or awe about any of it and thats what im getting from your posts.
we do understand fully and have for a long time.
Tony Romano
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Thanks - Any idea where you saw photo's? I am using a mix of 2l ZEO/1l BW. Like ZEO just fine, not sure if it can keep up with my load. I like to feed my fish too much!
:bounce2:
Then I am "in awe" of you Rekn!....Because in my verging on 30 years in this hobby - I can tell you I have NEVER met anyone else that seems to have it ALL figured out! That is great!!!!:lolspin:
I think most of us have a firm grasp on the primary chemistry. I am just not ready to admit I know it all!
Uh...please post you exact and perhaps - perfect methods,- and please feel free to post pics. I am sure it is a beautiful tank you keep!
T
FFrankie
New member
Hey Tony,
I went looking for it on the thread I started when first getting into probiotics and the picture is missing http://www.reefsanctuary.com/forums/reef-chemistry-forum/25369-zeovit-system-4.html It was on perma link #69
I will ask the poster to fix his photobucket account.
I saw others also on zeovit.com but will need time to hunt them down.
Sorry to not have a picture to post here. I will ask around and get one for you over the weekend with permission from the owner of the picture..
Tony Romano
New member
Then I am "in awe" of you Rekn!....Because in my verging on 30 years in this hobby - I can tell you I have NEVER met anyone else that seems to have it ALL figured out! That is great!!!!:lolspin:
I think most of us have a firm grasp on the primary chemistry. I am just not ready to admit I know it all!
Uh...please post you exact and perhaps - perfect methods,- and please feel free to post pics. I am sure it is a beautiful tank you keep!
T
Boomer....or SonnyX ------ LOL
:lol2:
Every time I think I have the answers something goes south fast!
Tony
(Cyno King)
Yep...keeping reef tanks long enough will either teach you humilty - or will teach you a new hobby! (cursing and throwing things:lmao
The futility and arrogance of man has always been the same: Believing we can MASTER MOTHER NATURE, by strictly applying science.:sad1:
At best - we can emulate, and imitate.:thumbsup:
I still find my best success have been in understanding the science - and balancing that with knowing that we are all "underwater gardeners".
There is much more than "pure science" or chemistry alone required to keep an aquarium of the caliber that many of aspire to have - or already have.
T
The futility and arrogance of man has always been the same: Believing we can MASTER MOTHER NATURE, by strictly applying science.:sad1:
At best - we can emulate, and imitate.:thumbsup:
I still find my best success have been in understanding the science - and balancing that with knowing that we are all "underwater gardeners".
There is much more than "pure science" or chemistry alone required to keep an aquarium of the caliber that many of aspire to have - or already have.
T
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