fishflorist
CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH
Do not believe me, I never tasted skimmate , yet.
Bring out the BIG guns!
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Yogre
Cheesehead Reefer
I don't think I'd advise putting any of this stuff in your mouth, especially tank water or even worse, skimmate.
There are some seriously powerful pathogens that can live in our tanks, and I'd expect in skimmate as well.
You could get very ill.
I agree. Smelling is usually OK, but tasting is very risky.
fishflorist
CANNOT SPEAK ENGLISH
I guess I watched too much "man vs wild" on Discovery Channel :uhoh3:
I'll never taste tank water again since I found that horrible gross sea monster in my tank. urhhh..........
But I think most fish food should be fine, though ? high quality protein.... some of them taste good
I'll never taste tank water again since I found that horrible gross sea monster in my tank. urhhh..........
But I think most fish food should be fine, though ? high quality protein.... some of them taste good
Ron Reefman
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The only thing i taste before putting in my tank is vodka
nanojg, that's not called tasting, that's called drunk! jk :lolspin:
RubberFrog
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Maybe that's why they call it the "drunk tank". lol
The only thing i taste before putting in my tank is vodka
Hmm, I need to scientifically test this method. Time to switch from vinegar to vodka...for science you know.
rtparty
Raise The Reef!
Randy,
Can you explain to me why the Alkalinity component of this stuff wouldn't cause the same white/cloudy effect that every other Alk component I have ever used does?
It just went in clear. Would that mean there is no "alkalinity" present?
Ever try baking soda ("raw")? That doesnt cloud up because of the ph
Right, ordinary baking soda won't. The cloudiness is magnesium hydroxide caused by the locally high pH.
But raw baking soda in fresh water added to the tank actually lowers tank pH a bit and normally won't cause even temporary precipitation of magnesium hydroxide unless you add a large amount and don't mix it in well.
You can try to test the alkalinity or not in it by putting a measured amount (say, 1 mL) in a gallon or a liter of RO water and measure alkalinity.
But raw baking soda in fresh water added to the tank actually lowers tank pH a bit and normally won't cause even temporary precipitation of magnesium hydroxide unless you add a large amount and don't mix it in well.
You can try to test the alkalinity or not in it by putting a measured amount (say, 1 mL) in a gallon or a liter of RO water and measure alkalinity.
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rtparty
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Thank you. No, I have never used Baking Soda in my tank. The small money savings was never worth it to me on my smaller tanks.
Right, ordinary baking soda won't. The cloudiness is magnesium hydroxide caused by the locally high pH.
But raw baking soda in fresh water added to the tank actually lowers tank pH a bit and normally won't cause even temporary precipitation of magnesium hydroxide unless you add a large amount and don't mix it in well.
You can try to test the alkalinity or not in it by putting a measured amount (say, 1 mL) in a gallon or a liter of RO water and measure alkalinity.
Thanks for the reply! I may just check the alkalinity and see what I get.
There will be a attractive force beteen you and Catherina Zeta Jones, but also a repulsive force. The net effect and it's strength will tell what can happen.
The net force can change by changing the condition, like giving jewellery or coral frags.
Paricles in solution behave more or less like that the zeta potential is a measure for that.
gypsyboy38
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When I read the claims of nanoparticles, I assumed they were Ca or CaCO3 with some sort of capping agent to avoid agglomeration and keep them in solution. With respect to the Ca nanoparticles, the capping agent would also need to protect the Ca from reacting with the water. The particles themselves would not be charged though.
Doing a quick scholar search turns up a paper that synthesized Ca nanoparticles capped with hexadecyl amine (doi:10.1039/C1RA00468A). There are plenty of papers on CaCO3 nanoparticles as well. Would either of these be any benefit towards the corals? No clue... Could they be made to be moderately stable in water? Yes, but I would imagine the Ca particles would have stability issues beyond 1 week to a few months.
gypsyboy38
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Why do you have to make such stupid posts??
It's highly unlikely Catherine could be bought with coral frags. That's just getting people's hopes up...
rtparty
Raise The Reef!
Little update:
I mixed the alkalinity solution in with the calcium solution and nothing happened. I then added the alk to the Mg solution as well and nothing happened. Not sure that this really means anything, but from what I understand this means the alk solution doesn't have a high pH.
I have also noticed ZERO difference in my corals in terms of color or growth. The only thing I have really noticed is my hair algae took off and my one lobo closes up more often than it used to. I stopped dosing the coral Accelerant part because it is nothing more than watered-down AquaVitro Fuel. That explains my hair algae issue.
So far this stuff is nothing more than Snake Oil like I thought it would be. The store keeps posting "growth" pics and the growth isn't all that great. I saw better growth in my old 40g and didn't dose this stuff.
The company that produces this stuff is called Quantum Marine Labs and their site is a joke. They also talk about how they break down Calcium, Magneisum and other ions into smaller ions. I am not a chemist but I didn't know that smaller ions existed! (read with sarcasm)
Here is there exact quote:
"Using Nano Particulate Technology, These products deliver the Essential Calcium, Carbonate and Magnesium to the coral, in such a Tiny elemental size, that they are instantly available for use in the development of skeletal structure."
I am glad a "scientist" is telling us that ions are "Tiny" as if we didn't already know that. You just have to love the marketing people will use to make a quick buck.
That is my update.
I mixed the alkalinity solution in with the calcium solution and nothing happened. I then added the alk to the Mg solution as well and nothing happened. Not sure that this really means anything, but from what I understand this means the alk solution doesn't have a high pH.
I have also noticed ZERO difference in my corals in terms of color or growth. The only thing I have really noticed is my hair algae took off and my one lobo closes up more often than it used to. I stopped dosing the coral Accelerant part because it is nothing more than watered-down AquaVitro Fuel. That explains my hair algae issue.
So far this stuff is nothing more than Snake Oil like I thought it would be. The store keeps posting "growth" pics and the growth isn't all that great. I saw better growth in my old 40g and didn't dose this stuff.
The company that produces this stuff is called Quantum Marine Labs and their site is a joke. They also talk about how they break down Calcium, Magneisum and other ions into smaller ions. I am not a chemist but I didn't know that smaller ions existed! (read with sarcasm)
Here is there exact quote:
"Using Nano Particulate Technology, These products deliver the Essential Calcium, Carbonate and Magnesium to the coral, in such a Tiny elemental size, that they are instantly available for use in the development of skeletal structure."
I am glad a "scientist" is telling us that ions are "Tiny" as if we didn't already know that. You just have to love the marketing people will use to make a quick buck.
That is my update.
rtparty
Raise The Reef!
Alright Habib and Randy. I am sorry if this thread is no longer of interest to either of you but the latest response made me laugh.
So here is the latest response when ReefOn was called out by a local college professor.
"As stated before, I am no chemist, nor have I ever claimed to be. I do not want this to be an argument, nor a bashing of anyone. The great thing about this country is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will respect ANYONE/EVERYONE'S opinion. As pointed out, I was wrong, and corrected by our advisers, about the 'carriers'. When these products where explained to me, I tried to 'translate' them and was wrong in a few aspects that have been corrected.
As for the 'claim' of our products: the claim is that the size of the product is smaller than ANYTHING on the market today. Using a certified lab's Zeta Size Meter, we have shown that the available Calcium measures at 246.6nm. That is half the size of blue light spectrum. The Magnesium/Alkalinity(Carbon) is also smaller than blue light, and that the Accelerator is smaller than 20nm. This is what really sets this apart from anything else on the market. The fact that the elements are smaller, allows the corals to absorb them faster.
As for the 'statement' that this is just a watered down two part or something else watered down, I then pose the question,
If this is just a two part, why does it not act like a two part?
I have been dosing two part for well over 6 years now and have never seen any two part go into a system, cause a quick spike, and then return to the previous levels within a few hours. Any standard two part will remain in the system until consumed by the corals, or precipitated, usually taking days or weeks as we all know after overdosing once or twice. The reality of this product is that it goes into the system, is small enough in size for the corals to instantly use, and then is gone from the water column, used up by the corals/coraline algae or other livestock with a calcium and carbonate demand.
I would encourage you to do a little more testing of the product. 'Grab' an electron microscope and take a little closer look at the products. Then put them side by side with a standard two part and look at the difference or the similarity. Also test the size of the elements, and explain how 15ml of a 'watered down two part' can cause such a jump in the levels of a 100gallon tank.
As stated before, if you don't believe it, that is fine, if you don't want to try it, that is fine too, if you want to take your business somewhere else, the Exits are clearly marked. The greatest part of being American is the freedom of having choices. The next best thing is being in a country where there is no limit on the knowledge available, and the reality that our current knowledge is not infinite. According to those past experts, the world was flat and America was not even here.
Please for the sake of those trying, don't dismiss the possibility of something better, even if you don't understand it."
I really just want to lay the law down and prove why everything they have said is false but my biggest issue is I am not a scientist and can't hold my own if big words get thrown around. If people want to argue about light I can hold my ground for a little bit, but when it comes to chemistry, I am done. The only thing I learned in chemistry was from the druggie that sat next to me and talked about the cool bongs he could make with the lab equipment!
So here is the latest response when ReefOn was called out by a local college professor.
"As stated before, I am no chemist, nor have I ever claimed to be. I do not want this to be an argument, nor a bashing of anyone. The great thing about this country is that everyone is entitled to their opinion and I will respect ANYONE/EVERYONE'S opinion. As pointed out, I was wrong, and corrected by our advisers, about the 'carriers'. When these products where explained to me, I tried to 'translate' them and was wrong in a few aspects that have been corrected.
As for the 'claim' of our products: the claim is that the size of the product is smaller than ANYTHING on the market today. Using a certified lab's Zeta Size Meter, we have shown that the available Calcium measures at 246.6nm. That is half the size of blue light spectrum. The Magnesium/Alkalinity(Carbon) is also smaller than blue light, and that the Accelerator is smaller than 20nm. This is what really sets this apart from anything else on the market. The fact that the elements are smaller, allows the corals to absorb them faster.
As for the 'statement' that this is just a watered down two part or something else watered down, I then pose the question,
If this is just a two part, why does it not act like a two part?
I have been dosing two part for well over 6 years now and have never seen any two part go into a system, cause a quick spike, and then return to the previous levels within a few hours. Any standard two part will remain in the system until consumed by the corals, or precipitated, usually taking days or weeks as we all know after overdosing once or twice. The reality of this product is that it goes into the system, is small enough in size for the corals to instantly use, and then is gone from the water column, used up by the corals/coraline algae or other livestock with a calcium and carbonate demand.
I would encourage you to do a little more testing of the product. 'Grab' an electron microscope and take a little closer look at the products. Then put them side by side with a standard two part and look at the difference or the similarity. Also test the size of the elements, and explain how 15ml of a 'watered down two part' can cause such a jump in the levels of a 100gallon tank.
As stated before, if you don't believe it, that is fine, if you don't want to try it, that is fine too, if you want to take your business somewhere else, the Exits are clearly marked. The greatest part of being American is the freedom of having choices. The next best thing is being in a country where there is no limit on the knowledge available, and the reality that our current knowledge is not infinite. According to those past experts, the world was flat and America was not even here.
Please for the sake of those trying, don't dismiss the possibility of something better, even if you don't understand it."
I really just want to lay the law down and prove why everything they have said is false but my biggest issue is I am not a scientist and can't hold my own if big words get thrown around. If people want to argue about light I can hold my ground for a little bit, but when it comes to chemistry, I am done. The only thing I learned in chemistry was from the druggie that sat next to me and talked about the cool bongs he could make with the lab equipment!
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