Brs video on black box

[mikem101]

Clearly a better light , at what wau do we say this, if the higher end light is 8xs the cost..if it was 300.00 I would say ok not 800.00 ,theres not that much difference for me to justify the 8xs the cost and btw there less than 100.00 now I believe the bare bone boxes are 2 for 165.00 free ship..I just don't see it, that tells me how much markup in the higher end lights, overpriced..

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The problem with what your saying IMHO is this video was a video on the black box, and saying it out performed the Radion. It simply used that light as a reference point to a high quality light, but put it up against kessil or AI some of the more affordable "name brand" lights and they still out perform the black box.

If you are lighting a small cube tank where you only need very concentrated light sure they will be a ok option then you get into light a 6 foot tank and you need 12 of them turned all the way down to get the correct spread. and that's if all 12 work will and have been put together the same.

I have friends who went with 2 black boxes for their tank and 4 years later still going strong and their tank is thriving. on the other hand I have a friend who bought 4 black boxes and 3 of them lasted 6 weeks before they burned up, and with the terrible customer service attached to them ended up never getting replacements cause it was "his fault" that he mounted them in a canopy.

So do they out perform more expensive lights all around? in spread, controllability, intensity, and customer service? simple answer is no, but can they put out more light in a tiny section of the tank at times yes. As we all know that is not the function we want our lights to serve, they do not put out an even output of light that covers a large area. So I guess I'm still confused on your definition of out performed, other the they put out more light in a tiny section of the tank, in what ways are they an improvement to A360W or a hydra?

 

[tkeracer619]

I have several black boxes as well as a pair of AI Hydra 52 lights.

The black boxes don't outperform them. Don't need to watch the video to know this.

 

[kenneth wolfe]

Not the point..thats pure gouging..I have a dentist friend 300 g display in office with radions , six , granted it's a nice office high end, full , very full of sps , all pail , bleached. All that money he could saved the cash , learned more about reefing, that 4000.00 plus could been spent better..those lights give absolutely no benefit in larger tanks..

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[kenneth wolfe]

 

[kenneth wolfe]

Typical look of bad led programming, or 100% the way you like uour tank, theres more going on than just the lights causing the pailish look, I can say for ,100% , you can achieve exactly same pail lack of color with the black box, but I personally believe the black box ( basic) no thrills 12 black box w apex over his tank would make the 4000+ lights look like a bad car payment..there would be better spread and penetration on less power..I believe most reefers like to have shiny **** to brag about, I've been racing my hole life and can contest that the old mighty dollar don't win all the time, its usually good old common sense and practically..

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[kenneth wolfe]

No I can not see there r&d , hate to say it's not rocket science making a light to grow coral, I can spend a weekend designing a light fixture , I know that sounds a bit high headed, but its not if you been around leds for any length of time..like I said it's not rocket science, why pay aerospace pricing..please tell me ..

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[kenneth wolfe]

Is it the cluster? Is it the fancy box, is it The new and better diodes.. I can reproduce that same fixture for same as a black box..

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[rtparty]

So your argument is that your buddy had no idea what he was doing so he should have spent less to bleach his corals? Ever thought that he may have more money and that Radions were "cheap" to him?

People are free to spend their money however they please. They work for it, they can spend it how they want.

You haven't brought one piece of evidence to the table to support your position. Your ONLY "fact" is that the black box is cheaper. Which is true. Your "opinion" is that cheaper equals better because it's cheaper. You somehow put a price on performance. A Ferrari is twice the cost of Z06 Corvette. The Corvette will beat the Ferrari in almost any race you throw at the two. That in your eyes means the Ferrari is overpriced. Overpriced to who though? You? You're not the market. You have admitted that. Is the Ferrari overpriced to the guy who can afford and wants it? Nope.

Again, you've brought zero evidence to support your theory. If you're going to troll, do better please

 

[kenneth wolfe]

Yep corvette wins every time, yes thats what im saying almost. Misleading overpriced junk, but in this case its the American model, also remember this is about brs promoting $ 800.00 light, if we want to see the hobby grow it's not buy confusing consumers on simple choices, how can you get a new person to hobby to shell out those clams, and I believe there overpriced junk..

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[kenneth wolfe]

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[rtparty]

Yep corvette wins every time, yes thats what im saying almost. Misleading overpriced junk, but in this case its the American model, also remember this is about brs promoting $ 800.00 light, if we want to see the hobby grow it's not buy confusing consumers on simple choices, how can you get a new person to hobby to shell out those clams, and I believe there overpriced junk..

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You can believe what you want to believe. You just don't have any evidence to back up those beliefs and or to at least convince us to follow your belief. Well, except you think one is inherently bad because of its price.

Because the facts are this: BRS clearly stated it wasn't a comparison between the two fixtures. (You seemed to miss this.) They just used the Radion numbers since they just ran those tests with the Radions and they gave us a marker to go off. It showed how laser beam and focused the black box they tested was. Could improvements be made to help that? Yes, and BRS acknowledged that even.

BRS claimed the build quality was poor. Again, this is true. Cheap components and cheap quality equal poor quality. The lenses are even a poor choice showing the company put zero time into testing the fixture. You know why? They don't care if they work. They're cheap and they sell. They don't have to back their products or stand behind them for any reason.

The black box didn't put out a good spread of light. Again, this is a fact. You combat that by running multiple fixtures. Now you have a lot of cords and hanging kit stuff to manage and you've ruined the clean look that LED fixtures can have.

Again, you aren't comparing apples to apples here and just have a personal agenda to push.

 

[kenneth wolfe]

The orher part of this thread is I said with diffuser the black box is a better light than the other in spread , par. spectrum disorders. Any betting men out there want to put there radion against my black box ? We can send to brs and let them test.

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[mikem101]

Yep corvette wins every time, yes thats what im saying almost. Misleading overpriced junk, but in this case its the American model, also remember this is about brs promoting $ 800.00 light, if we want to see the hobby grow it's not buy confusing consumers on simple choices, how can you get a new person to hobby to shell out those clams, and I believe there overpriced junk..

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I can tell at this point you are not willing to listen to reason, and will dig your heels in no matter how many points are made against the black box. Probably cause that's what you have on your tank. But the basics are
Black Box:

CONS:
no spread of light
poor to fair construction
bad customer service/warranty
bad ability to control
cheap parts used

PROS:
Cheap price
A lot of light (still very concentrated)

High end fixtures:

CONS:
Price

PROS:
Easily controllable (most fixtures)
Good customer service/warranty
Good light penetration and spread
quality parts and construction
high quality control

So basically can you use black box lights to grow coral YES
do they out perform high end lights NO!!! unless you want very concentrated light in one spot of your tank?

P.S.
Your claims that with a diffuser black box lights have better spread and penetration are untested and not accurate. Nor do you have any data to make those claims, and if you do I would love to see the data.

 

[rtparty]

The orher part of this thread is I said with diffuser the black box is a better light than the other in spread , par. spectrum disorders. Any betting men out there want to put there radion against my black box ? We can send to brs and let them test.

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The burden of proof is on you to supply that data. You're making the claim so back it up. Not to mention that Ecotech is bringing out a diffuser for the lights so your diffuser "advantage" was just lost.

 

[kenneth wolfe]

Do yo work for them, sure sounds like it..you must own some of that overpriced stuff?? Am I close,,?

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[rtparty]

Do yo work for them, sure sounds like it..you must own some of that overpriced stuff?? Am I close,,?

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Me?

Nope, I don't work for them. I own my own company here in Utah doing promotional apparel and such. I own a Giesemann Spectra MH/T5 over my current tank. So, no, you're not even remotely close.

 

[kenneth wolfe]

Let me also say im a brs customer, but very often, and watch there video's , and also use there video's to teach new reefers, when I saw that video I said to myself that they overstepped there position..simple put..

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[mikem101]

Let me also say im a brs customer, but very often, and watch there video's , and also use there video's to teach new reefers, when I saw that video I said to myself thst theu overstepped there position..simple put..

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They were pretty much dead on, and I still haven't heard any data to support any of your claims?

 

[rtparty]

Let me also say im a brs customer, but very often, and watch there video's , and also use there video's to teach new reefers, when I saw that video I said to myself thst theu overstepped there position..simple put..

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The community as a whole begged them for a black box test. Then complained when it wasn't a super glowing, all butterflies and kittens review.

The numbers speak for themselves. It's up to each person to decide what they want and what they can afford.

 

[kenneth wolfe]

Like I said im a betting man, I own a par meter, shiny expensive leds don't scare me, so you believe when they add diffuser that will make that small matrex better? Softer yes the fixture already down on par over black box with diffuser will be at least 20% less same basic spread, the black box starts with larger surface area ..I can lend you a calculator if you have a problem..figuring it out

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