Brs video on black box
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kenneth wolfe
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I respect everything you said..not my point, add a diffuser then talk, I understand no one likes the boxes but fact of matter is simply build something better, I would say cheaper then...ohh..not cheaper than 65.00 bucks, 800.00 is a rape, im starting to believe rc is to pc for me..it's crazy y'all feal this way..I'm not sure where rc stands, are we for the new hobbiest or just selling bullzhit to uninformed consumers
kenneth wolfe
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Im a expert in selling bs , why spend my time and energy selling something I don't sell. Its simple if you're reading this you all ready made up your mind on 800.00 vrs 100.00 if your still reading , follow my name, and try and be a better reefer.
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kenneth wolfe
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Many old school reefers that only believe one direction..its ok, kinda sad if you wana know the truth, so many unwilling to grow and let the hobby grow...(set o. There ways) .. I call them old..and im old..47 to be exact...been watching people lose money on fish my whole life..sad...I've been apart of a few large scale hatcherys, 30 acre red fish farm, 100 acre yabby lobster farm, ect.ect.
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kenneth wolfe
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It's all bs..I run a auto wAter change on my big system, run threw a lot of salt..I use a local lady. Been in business 20+ years I get my salt for cheap as cheap..everyone has a system, bb leds are a great way to get into and stay some what current,many ways to learn how to grow great coral, I will take my 65.00 box over your 800.00 box any day, for me it's a no-brainer...you guys that spend that is truly unrecognizable, I see that and sat absolutely no restraint or knowledge..what about that
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kenneth wolfe
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Its not the lightning , all those talking **** has no clue on lightning.no clue, yes im speaking to all you radion useers..lazy..is all it is..
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Ron Reefman
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Gees Ken, calm down and step back from the edge!:strooper:
BTW, I think black box leds are perfectly fine if you want a more basic fixture. The light they produce is just as good as a Radion, IMHO. I used black box leds for 6 years, but I want more features (for my own enjoyment, not for the coral's benefit). So I had to move up one step to what I think is the best value in a fixture with the features I wanted. It's still made in China by a company that makes lots of black box fixtures. But mine doesn't even look like a black box fixture. They (the Chinese) are getting into offering more than the basics and I have to believe they are squeezing some of the high cost fixture market.
BTW, I think black box leds are perfectly fine if you want a more basic fixture. The light they produce is just as good as a Radion, IMHO. I used black box leds for 6 years, but I want more features (for my own enjoyment, not for the coral's benefit). So I had to move up one step to what I think is the best value in a fixture with the features I wanted. It's still made in China by a company that makes lots of black box fixtures. But mine doesn't even look like a black box fixture. They (the Chinese) are getting into offering more than the basics and I have to believe they are squeezing some of the high cost fixture market.
homer1475
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Pretty sure this thread should be closed.
All this thread is is one person padding their post count.
I owned 2 300W black boxes for about a year. When my coral started dying from too much light because even apex modded I could not turn them down far enough, I decided cheap knockoff junk wasn't for me anymore. While they do work, in order to make them work more like a higher end fixture there is quite a bit of modding needed. That is fact and the typical buyer isn't going to go through and mod them.
You know whats sad, the fact you keep pushing the BB like there is nothing better out there. No one cares, we all know the pros and cons of them, quit acting like they are the end all and be all in lighting. Even you can admit there are plenty of other better lighting options, if you cant your just delusional.
Ken why all the hate on radions? Thats all you keep mentioning. There is plenty of other LED manufacturers out there.
All this thread is is one person padding their post count.
I owned 2 300W black boxes for about a year. When my coral started dying from too much light because even apex modded I could not turn them down far enough, I decided cheap knockoff junk wasn't for me anymore. While they do work, in order to make them work more like a higher end fixture there is quite a bit of modding needed. That is fact and the typical buyer isn't going to go through and mod them.
You know whats sad, the fact you keep pushing the BB like there is nothing better out there. No one cares, we all know the pros and cons of them, quit acting like they are the end all and be all in lighting. Even you can admit there are plenty of other better lighting options, if you cant your just delusional.
Ken why all the hate on radions? Thats all you keep mentioning. There is plenty of other LED manufacturers out there.
kenneth wolfe
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Not hate here, on those particular fixtures the point is bs brs video, and all the cheerleaders, what exactly is a post count, you must be a radion consumer, post count, get real..im shocked this post caught so much attention over bs , tells me I hit a nerve and those high dollar fixtures also breed content with oneself,
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kenneth wolfe
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Funniest thing I read so far , I couldn't turn the light down low enough, get for real..
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Potatohead
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I'll say it again, thread should be closed.
Pail instead of pale, there instead of their, apostrophes on plurals, multiple elipses, some even with commas, and like seventy-nine posts in a row. Yeah, let's take advice from that guy. :debi:
Pail instead of pale, there instead of their, apostrophes on plurals, multiple elipses, some even with commas, and like seventy-nine posts in a row. Yeah, let's take advice from that guy. :debi:
The last thing this place needs is more closing of threads because someones opinion rubbed someone else the wrong way.
Posting style aside, the guy has a point.
Besides, whats next -- are we gonna watch some videos from the tobacco companies about whether smoking is bad for you? BRS is a wonderful company but theyve made a video suggesting that we need to buy high priced lights that conveniently enough they sell?
I'm sincerely surprised those videos have received such a positive reaction. Has the concept of conflict of interest been completely lost?
Posting style aside, the guy has a point.
Besides, whats next -- are we gonna watch some videos from the tobacco companies about whether smoking is bad for you? BRS is a wonderful company but theyve made a video suggesting that we need to buy high priced lights that conveniently enough they sell?
I'm sincerely surprised those videos have received such a positive reaction. Has the concept of conflict of interest been completely lost?
rtparty
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To your first point, people are welcome to have opinions all they want. I disagree with people on here all the time.
It is the attacks (lazy, delusional, no nothing) to name a few. It is the constant barrage of posts that go no where. It is the constant claims of Ecotech "raping" people. I can understand that English isn't the first language here but he is just trying to start fights. When asked for proof of what he is claiming, he can't provide any. He wants BRS or someone to run the test.
All sense of logic or rational thinking is absent in every post made. Then when he gets called out he immediately assumes people here work for Ecotech or own their "overpriced BS."
To your second point, BRS also sells lights for much less than the Radion. They promote those as well. They weren't comparing this light to a Radion directly. They were simply showing how the Radion tested to give us a marker of what they felt made a good light.
Potatohead
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There is no conflict. Ryan mentioned at least once that the companies he does deal with asked him not to make this video and he did it anyway. If he wanted to sell these lights, it would take all of ten minutes for him to make a few phone calls and order 10,000 of these things for $60 each, add another color led like violet and offer a warranty to differentiate the product from the rest, and sell them at $119 all day long. That's what a businessman who is only interested in the bottom line would do.
The backlash from the forums on this video and trying to call out BRS etc etc is simply because people don't like it when someone calls them out. The only reason anyone uses these lights is because they are cheap, period.
You dont seem to get the concept of conflict of interest. BRS profits from the sale of the lights they offer. This presents an obvious conflict of interest for their recommendations about which lights to buy. (And its especially transparent when the light they're criticizing is one they dont sell)
This isnt really up for debate; its only a question of whether people understand the concept of conflict of interest, or not.
People only use the lights cause theyre cheap? Thats called cost benefit analysis. Theyre far cheaper and work almost just as well. A rational cost benefit analysis says there is a place for black boxes.
There will always be people who take pride in buying "top of the line", and talk smack to people who shop for bargains. That is fine and inevitable.
Whats not fine and inevitable is a Ferrari dealer making videos about how Hyundais are bad cars and everyone should buy a Ferrari. or rather, thats actually fine too -- whats not fine (and should be called out) is people taking that video at face value.
This isnt really up for debate; its only a question of whether people understand the concept of conflict of interest, or not.
People only use the lights cause theyre cheap? Thats called cost benefit analysis. Theyre far cheaper and work almost just as well. A rational cost benefit analysis says there is a place for black boxes.
There will always be people who take pride in buying "top of the line", and talk smack to people who shop for bargains. That is fine and inevitable.
Whats not fine and inevitable is a Ferrari dealer making videos about how Hyundais are bad cars and everyone should buy a Ferrari. or rather, thats actually fine too -- whats not fine (and should be called out) is people taking that video at face value.
EDIT: I'm not getting dragged into this, nevermind. You are bonkers. The video was extremely comprehensive and fair.
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Potatohead
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Normally I would segment this all out nicely but I am overseas on my phone.
BRS profits from selling lights - Duh?
Criticizing a light they don't sell - Again, if they wanted to sell them, they would.
Cost benefit analysis - To get good performance you gotta pay, that much is clear.
Bad analogy - BRS is not a manufacturer putting down another manufacturer. Your analogy would be like EcoTech making this video, and they didn't. However if MotorTrend wants to call a car a piece of crap, they can certainly do so.
I don't particularly care what anyone buys, it would be nice if people supported western people and jobs but that cat is out of the bag. Just don't go around spouting it's better than the good stuff when it clearly is not.
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