Bubble Master Skimmers more info wanted???

[Paulairduck]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8601740#post8601740 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by orientalexpress
i love my overpowering pumps for bm250,now that it's break in ,i see some serious skimming now.

I have to agree these pumps are no joke, I have yet to see anything come close to these pumps, (lpm to watts)

 

[UCanDoIt]

Re: my glass is cleaner

Re: my glass is cleaner

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8601753#post8601753 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paulairduck
The skimmate does look a little wet, but I can not complain, my water is crystal clear, and all tank inhabitants are looking good!!!. The key is on Sunday when I do my testing and run the nitrate and phosphate, and I am hoping they are still clear

GO ATI 200 DO YOUR THING!!!:smokin: :smokin: :smokin:

I see no more frustration. Guess you're not going to return this baby?

 

[UCanDoIt]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8601771#post8601771 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paulairduck
I have to agree these pumps are no joke, I have yet to see anything come close to these pumps, (lpm to watts)

How many watts is your BM200 running at? My dealer's was running 22 watts with the 42mm threadwheel and no restriction on the air hose except for the factory air filter.

 

[golfbomber]

gotta get a sump made right away, ordered a ati 250, how high should the water level be in the sump for optimal performance?

 

[UCanDoIt]

Everyone has been saying 9". Seems like if it is 2" below the exhaust, that seems to work the best.

 

[mavgi]

my water level in the sump it's 9" and in the skimmer my water levle it's 3" below the exhaust because i pull more air if i will put it 2" the skimmer will work to wet and the cup will be full in 24 hour maybe less .

 

[hahnmeister]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8601771#post8601771 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Paulairduck
I have to agree these pumps are no joke, I have yet to see anything come close to these pumps, (lpm to watts)

Geee... I dont know...a Bubbleking maybe!!!

 

[Creetin]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8605310#post8605310 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
Geee... I dont know...a Bubbleking maybe!!!

As far as i know BK's dont pull in as much air. They are really nice pumps though. Would i pay red dragon money for them?
FYI BK uses an italian pump as well.
Askoll S.p.a
I wonder how much cheaper they are with a different name?

 

[chris21]

I wanna know is the ATI Bubble Master 250 or the Deltec AP851. which is the better skimmer. Any online store offer delivery to Hongkong? or Asia.

Pls commend as i am going to make a decision soon

 

[Roland Jacques]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8605610#post8605610 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chris21
I wanna know is the ATI Bubble Master 250 or the Deltec AP851. which is the better skimmer. Any online store offer delivery to Hongkong? or Asia.

Pls commend as i am going to make a decision soon

1. YES
2. Maybe

I guess that's not very helpful.

As far as ATI BM250 in Asia. I would go to the Singapore Reef club They have people there who have had them for a while.

There is actually a "review" of those 2 skimmers "side by side?" not really. It is really not a performance comparison. Actually it not a comparison at all IMO. He just has both skimmers and he does not even try to answer your question.
My guess is the ATI 250 performs better but the deltec is built better. Others have done some side by side performance comparison with the Bubble King 250, they said the BM 250 was better so take that FWIW.

Their is a retailer there. Besides you don't want a US version different current 50 hz vs 60hz...

http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=54093&st=75

 

[46bfinGA]

Roland have you got your bm skimmers yet?Didnt you buy all three?

 

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8605310#post8605310 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
Geee... I dont know...a Bubbleking maybe!!!

i like the bubble king and before i order the ati i try to get the bK mini 200 since i didn't get correct answer if they will supply to the USA and when i bought the ati.

when i ask in germany about the ATI a member so here what he said to me:

Re: ATI Bubble Master mit Fadenrad Technologie

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Michael,

Glad to hear that you had some contact to ATI. As much as I know the 250 is the biggest one and should make around 3000 Liter.
One of my friend has a 7000 Liter tank and is throwing the BK out of the window, because it's not worse the money
He will get the 250 soon.

I can only say how good the "fadenrad" technology is. The new Eheim pump on my Twister is twice more productive than the previous Hydor and requires cleaning after 2-3 days. How much reliable the new pump is...no idea.

Let me know how the 250 works for you.
How big is your tank???

Peter


personal i think the bubble king it's a great skimmer and there is a lot good skimmer to in the market even now i have a big conflict if to sell one of my ER or to keep them after i saw what they can do with the mesh (my real problem it's that my wife see 4 skimmer around and she don't understand why i keep them )

as i said once it's like a voodoo this project with the skimmer i am interesting what is going on in my sump more then in my tank
:lol:

 

[UCanDoIt]

thoughts on new BM skimmers

thoughts on new BM skimmers

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8607759#post8607759 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mavgi
.... my real problem it's that my wife see 4 skimmer around and she don't understand why i keep them ....

my new hubby too but it was why I had so many aquariums, so I cut down to 2 aquariums earlier this year.

Putting all humor aside, mavgi, i think you would probably agree, the ATi is "excellent" performer. I've been fascinated with the progression of this new product since it hit USA soil and is definitely more fun when I can see first hand how they perform and not have to take any risks. Here are some thoughts as my turkey has been marinating all day.

Based on everyone's experience, no one can say that the ATi does not perform well. But it isn't without a lot of user intervention and adjustments that was needed to compensate for manufacturer's oversights. This is probably caused by a rush in shipping these units out for the USA market as demand outweigh the production speed. So as a result, not enough quality control checks for balance and performance on each unit before they were released. I don't believe that this will be a problem with the 2nd shipment as there has been enough feedback on this thread that more QC and consistency is a must.

IMHO these skimmers are not constructed as well as other high end skimmers. And please don't anyone get on my case on how much more one skimmer cost compared to another as that really has no play in this. Quality construction is quality construction and acrylic is not so expensive that ATi couldn't go with a slightly "thicker acrylic and the seams welded better". I don't think any hobbyist would complain about paying a little bit more for a well made, excellent performer. I think hobbyist would be more upset when they spend their hard earned $ and the top of their skimmer cracks off when they accidentally banged it against the side of their sump... or the units leaks because the seams separate. If the acrylic thickness is adequate for a shorter body skimmer, then just better welding on the seams.

Now, the Sicci pumps, they are just out of this world with the threadwheel, unbelievable foaming and performance. Nothing I've ever seen before, but then I've never owned or seen a BK yet. Great foaming, good water and air draw, and uses so little electricity to do it. 17watts on the BM150 and 22watts on the BM200 and dead quiet! With my limited experience with only two Sicci pumps, they are definitely more quiet than the German made AquaBees... and the AquaBees are pretty quiet. No improvement needed here, maybe the other skimmer companies should consider building a skimmer around this new Sicci pump.

That's all for now... Happy Thanksgiving! Got to go check the turkey (the bird, not my hubby). :lol:

 

[chris21]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8605610#post8605610 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by chris21
I wanna know is the ATI Bubble Master 250 or the Deltec AP851. which is the better skimmer. Any online store offer delivery to Hongkong? or Asia.

Pls commend as i am going to make a decision soon

hi. Hong kong dont seems to have any shop selling this..
How about the pring in Euro for the both?

any retailer in HK?

 

[UCanDoIt]

Maybe you can order an ATi BM from Singapore as they seem to be available there. Singapore uses the same electrical current and plugs that HK uses, so no adapters or converters needed.

 

[UCanDoIt]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8607759#post8607759 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by mavgi
i like the bubble king and before i order the ati i try to get the bK mini 200 since i didn't get correct answer if they will supply to the USA and when i bought the ati.....

Too bad that the mini BubbleKing won't be available to the USA.

 

[Creetin]

I am not getting on your case in the least, But i dont see that other than the thicker acrylic where they could have done better on the welds. Am i not seeing something?
I am sorry price does play a role you compare a skimmer thats twice the price or more on material quality. You cant say that. IMO
I think the BM's are fine with normal wear and tear, a bump wont break them, But a drop will, and a drop will break most acrylic skimmers easily no matter how its built.
Back to price and quality. I dont see a problem with them/it.
I think they are built really well, and all that have them i think will agree. You are right, It would be nice to see a thicker acrylic used, But its going to be a noticable differance in price.
Not saying i wouldnt pay it.
For the money i payed and the performance i get, I think they are pretty damn good. Price does play a role. JMO
I just dissagree on that point. Now if i payed BK, deltec, or H and S money and i got one build like with thin acrylic, i would be a little dissapointed. They arent built that bad.

 

[mavgi]

ucandoit i agree with you in some point 100 % and i agree with creetin to .

here is copy of message that i post in the past about the ATI in other forum :



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i think that all those skimmer are good and have a good performance, also there are some diy skimmer that i saw and they are very impressive there are some hobbyist that have good hand and they build a great skimmers to . as i hear (not sure in 100%) the ati 250 bm will come with 2 pump and the price rate of this skimmer is the lowest one from all those skimmer and if the new BM will give good result as it is rated here , i believe that this skimmer going to be sell more then all those skimmer in the us market.of course there is always favorite skimmer that hobbyist will decide to buy but compare the prices the ati will be in a good buy/sell option then any other.

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yes i wish if you ask me that this skimmer will build more thicker when i clean the cup , and i do it every day i pray that it's not fall down or slide from my hand .
i wish that skimmer was build different on other things to :
1. the neck should be high more 2"
2. the raiser should build down with elbow that can slide on the skimmer body and not attach as it is now. (it was more safety and better result with adjustment)
3. the pump should mounted in better way or with 2 piece of acrylic at the side to hold it and not like now every time that i tuch the raisor they slide and fall down)

yes this skimmer was out early to the market and there wasn't option to review it and to get feedback on that (but this is belong to company decision and i understand that to because it's come other seas and maybe they afraid that someone here in the market will copy that .... or other reason )and just moonpod have the option to test it i remmeber when i ask him about the skimmer he culdn't tell and i understand that because it was in secret at that moment and even he couldn't test it good because a missing part , more then that he got the skimmer with the eheim pump and this skimmer was already an old design because in germany they decide to change the pump to the scci ones.

i believe that the skimmer design will changed in the future and with all of that even those as you see some of them give a very good perform to. and when you will see the ATI250 at work you realy going to impress more.

i agree with creetin that price can't bit and compae the result it is a good investment .(more then that i know that i can get better perform and i work on this)

but i don't know if creetin know that the bubble king mini 200 not cost a lot then the ATI250 and i thought to bring it from germany the problem was the pump. (and the big money was the pump because of that i get off it) but if we compare it to the big BK skimmer then yes the price cost more then a twice and if i was need to make the decision so IMO 2 skimer will give better result then one i was buying 2 ATI and not one BK (and don't get me wrong the BK are excellent skimmer but i not believe that one skimmer can perform better then 2)

 

[hahnmeister]

mavgi, UCanDoIt,
Klaus told me that as of yet, the smaller BKs arent being sent to the US. Its the importers decision though, as they feel that anything smaller than the BK200 just wouldnt be worth it (not enough margin/expense). Klaus is not happy with this though, and wants to get the smaller BKs to the US market, so he's thinking about another importer... soon.

 

[mavgi]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8610287#post8610287 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by hahnmeister
mavgi, UCanDoIt,
Klaus told me that as of yet, the smaller BKs arent being sent to the US. Its the importers decision though, as they feel that anything smaller than the BK200 just wouldnt be worth it (not enough margin/expense). Klaus is not happy with this though, and wants to get the smaller BKs to the US market, so he's thinking about another importer... soon.

i am sure in that in 100% because the way i got the answer when i ask for it , and it's sad because if they was here after they go out to the market they was sold a lot of them personal i was buying one to , and buy the ati to , sorry i am infect in this skimmer voodoo:lol:
you can ask klaus to maybe he want me to be his mini BK importer
i will be glad :rollface: