Calcium Reactor Settings Please Help!

-=Efrain=-

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Day 2 of the reactor being used. (Korallin 1502) I have the effluent dripping at 40 drops per minute and the CO2 Bubbles at 10 bubbles per minute. This is according to the instructions. These are my levels before adding the CR

Calcium - 350
Kh - 6.4
Alk - 2.29
PH - 7.8

Tested water out of reactor with sulfert Ph test kit, it was a bright yellow. More yellow then the yellow on the chart of the kit. so lower then 7.4 since that is the lightest color on the chart. (Please don't tell me to get a Ph controller because I am working on it) I do have a monitor but no probe. (I am working on that also).

I know to raise levels slowly, with that being said what should I have effluent and bubbles at and for how long in order to get to normal levels.
 
Here is an instructional document that I recieved from a VERY experienced reefer on how to set up a Calcium reactor. HTH. :

Here is how I initially set up a Calcium Reactor

First some important tips:

a) Although the reactor adds calcium and alkalinity in a balanced way, their consumption is not balanced, that means that although you set your reactor to maintain their level one of them sooner or later will change. I recommend setting the reactor to maintain constant alkalinity, if the Calcium gets out of balance adjust it using a Calcium supplement (I use Calcium Chloride, Kent's turbo calcium)

b) The amount of alkalinity added by the reactor is controlled by two variables: The amount of effluent flow and the effluent PH
Higher effluent flow at a given PH = Higher addition
Lower effluent PH = Higher addition
(Higher CO2 bubble rate = lower effluent PH)

There are limits to these two variables.
EFFLUENT:
Too high flow the retention (contact) time with the media may not be enough for proper dissolution. Too low of a flow and you will not get the required alkalinity addition. At small flows also is more difficult to maintain the flow steady as the valve may plug or will change the setting with temperature changes. The approximate limits in my experience are: Lower 20 ml/min higher 65 ml/min for small single chamber reactors, 120 ml/min for large double-chambered reactors.

EFFLUENT PH:
Too high a PH the media will not dissolve fast enough, Too lower and the media will get muddy over time, in addition the lower the PH the larger the proportion of carbonic acid to bicarbonate in the effluent so there will be a higher tendency to lower your overall tank PH even if no free CO2 reach the tank.

Range: For easy to dissolve media (like ARM from Caribsea) The lower will be 6.5 and the higher around 7.0, for a harder to dissolve media like Koralith, Gen-X or Schuran media the higher is around 6.8 and the lower around 6.3.

c) Setting up the effluent PH using a test kit will be very difficult if not impossible. An electronic PH meter is strongly recommended although a controller will make life a lot easier.

d) Have a good alkalinity kit at hand as more frequent than usual testing will be required during the setup. I tend to favor kits that read alkalinity in ppm of carbonate, as it is easier to read a change from 160ppm to 175 ppm than a reading from 3.2 to 3.5 meq/lt. which are equivalent.

e) Be very patient: After any change in CO2 bubble rate give at least one or two hours for the PH in the reactor to stabilize before attempting further adjustment. After a set up change wait at least 24 hours (48 better) between tank's alkalinity measures to see if the reactor is coping with the alkalinity consumption.
The whole process may take one or two weeks of trickling before a stable point to maintain alkalinity is achieved. Make small changes and go slow and insure between tests that your effluent rate and PH have been maintained at their desired level.

f) Use CO2 bubble rate as a reference only, the actual important measurement is the effluent's PH level.

A general description of the process I follow is to 1) test alkalinity 2) set up a medium to low effluent rate at a medium to high PH. 3) wait 24 to 48 hours, 4) test alkalinity 5) If higher, lower the effluent and keep PH , if lower, reduce PH and keep effluent. 6) Repeat 1,2,3,4. But his time If alkalinity is higher, increase the PH and keep the effluent , If lower increase effluent rate and keep PH . Keep on repeating these steps alternating adjustments between effluent and PH until the alkalinity remains constant. Once constant alkalinity is achieved adjust to the Alk. and Ca target levels using buffers and supplements.
Test weekly and make small adjustments to the reactor as necessary to keep Alk. constant. Adjust Calcium if necessary using Ca Chloride.

Your starting point can be 35 ml/min and an effluent PH of 6.8 (I think the bubble rate might be at around 40 bpm but adjust it as required to maintain between 6.75 and 6.85

Make effluent adjustments in increments of 10 ml/min and PH adjustments in increments of 0.05
 
did you raise your Ca and Alk to where you wanted it to be before starting up the reactor? The reactor is designed to keep your levels steady, not raise them. You may have to add manually to get your levels up and then use the reactor to maintain them.
 
Newschool - I did not raise my levels before I started the reactor as I have been adding 35ml of 2 part a day and my levels won't go up, that is why I purchased the CR.. So your telling me that I have to dose until levels are up and then the CR will keep them there. So the CR will not raise my levels on its own.. This sux..
 
I had that same reactor Efrain. Once dialed in, it stays constant. Newschool is correct. You need to raise your levels to where you want them, it is in the instructions. The reactor is designed to maintain your levels.
My suggestion is to raise alk/calcium and then keep your bubbles at 10 and drops at 40 for a couple days. Test twice a day for the first few days to see if the reactor will maintain your levels. If not, then raise your bubbles a couple a minute to drop the ph in the reactor a tiny bit and see if that helps. 40/10 is the magic number that I used as well with that reactor.
 
Unfortunately, yes. Try using turbo calcium and baking soda to get your levels up there. You're wasting your time with that reactor until you do this.

Use the reef dosing calculator tonight to figure out how much to add to get where you want to be. I'd split it up to 3 or 4 additions, one in the morning, one when you get home, one right before you go to bed and then test. Once your levels are up there, then start dialing in that reactor.

Good luck!
 
I have the big bottles of B-Ionic 2 part that I have been using but things pretty much stayed the same so I just got off of the phone with Richard the owner of E.S.V. Company, Inc really nice guy and gave me step by step instuctions on how to use his product to increase levels of Calcium and Alk safely.

Thanks everyone for your advise. I can't wait till levels are at their max for health and growth of my reef..
 
You can raise your calcium and alkalinity with your calcium reactor, that's what it does, adds calcium and carbonate to your tank, which will raise or maintain your levels, you control it. Or preferably a Ph controler does. If I were you, I'd get at least a probe for the ph monitor, and save so much grief, dialing the reactor in. You'd be set and running in a day or 2. I've never dosed anything prior to running a calcium reactor to get levels where I wanted them. That's what the reactor does.
You may need to dose until the reactor is dialed in, which, if using a test kit may be a while but once you're dissolving the media, the tank is getting calcium and carbonate boosting levels of calcium and alkalinity. Are they getting enough? Too much? Time to test the effluent Ph, adjust co2 rate and wait 2-3 hrs., time to test the effluent Ph, slow the effluent drip rate and.............
I'm not trying to be sarcastic, that's what you're going to have to do, but your question about the reactor raising your calcium level, yes it can
 
I would also have to disagree that you can't raise your calc and alk levels with a reactor as I've personally done it before. I boosted 100ppm over 10 days without any ill effects before.
 
hoosierpat - Thanks. But I can't take credit for the document, it is from one of our local TOTM winners Jose Dieck (jdieck). Jose is a freakin' genius! :)

On the topic of increasing Ca and Alk with a reactor:
I was told that the reactor is used to maintain levels, but not increase them. I just set up my Ca reactor 36 hours ago and I kept upping the bubble count to get the pH in the reactor to 6.6, which required me to up the bubble count to around 150bpm. This sent my Alk from 8.6 to 12.4dKH and Ca from 330ppm to 350ppm. So I guess what I am saying is that it is possible to up levels with the reactor, but I am aware that I did screw up by not reducing the flow of the effluent more, which is why the bubble count had to get so high to maintain a reasonable effluent pH for ARM media.
 
You will lose is you try to use your Ca reactor to bring your levels up to what you want. Follow the directions and use your equipment the way it's designed to be used.

Look at hansnfran's example. Alk went up 3 dKH and Ca went up 20ppm. You raise up your reactor to get your levels where you want them to be, your Alk is going to be skyrocket.

Do it the way it's supposed to be done, raise your levels to where you want them to be manually and let your reactor maintain it. Anything else and the next thread will be "All my acros are white, my reactor killed them?!" Hate to be harsh but it is what it is and this isn't a piece of equipment that you make your own rules with.
 
I don't know where you got the information that you have to get your levels where you want them before you start your reactor up.
I've honestly never heard/read that anywhere, I run 2 different reactors, neither one required what you keep saying is essential to start up. I've run my K2r for 5 yrs or so, I've always used my reactor to set my levels and hold them, have never used any turbo calcium or the like. I do agree with the article about aiming for a steady alk level, get the alk steady and your calcium will be fine, corals don't like alk swings.
Your reactor's instruction may tell you to do that, the 2 I own and use don't require it or even suggest it.
It seems like you mask the true levels in the tank at the key time while setting up a reactor, it seems backwards
 
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