Calling ZEOVIT Quits

[bigbuckdown]

you have 7 frags in there of SPS. What time consumed you in taking care of 7 frags? im not judging you or mocking you but i have a full blown sps tank.i cant even see my rocks anymore and i have enough time to do the family thing and the reef thing

 

[karsseboom]

you have 7 frags in there of SPS. What time consumed you in taking care of 7 frags? im not judging you or mocking you but i have a full blown sps tank.i cant even see my rocks anymore and i have enough time to do the family thing and the reef thing

ouch!

 

[Allmost]

you have 7 frags in there of SPS. What time consumed you in taking care of 7 frags? im not judging you or mocking you but i have a full blown sps tank.i cant even see my rocks anymore and i have enough time to do the family thing and the reef thing

WOW!

talkabout being rude ....

 

[Jarred1]

Allmost can you send me a link to read about balling or what it is? I just started to notice people use it in post and just can't figure out what it is.

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[Alex T.]

Naaa.. TBH its overrated. i know a lot of persons who are running stunning sps system with out water changes, for several years.. I know 2 who are running on their 4´th year. I my self, have had several system, where i never changed any water, unless there was something wrong.

My view is, the "You MUST change 10% water volume each week" myth was started by the salt industry, to sell more salt. But it also depens on what kind of system you are running, some change water to avoid ion balance isues and so on. But i dont see that being a problem if you run calcium reactor, instead of balling.

Here is another system running with out water changes:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1975963

I feel that the people using this MO are in the extreme minority. Claiming that our trained eyes can evaluate all the major and minor trace element ratios and depletions as opposed to providing them in balance with regular water changes is wishful thinking. This methodology assumes that a system can be run naturally and in balance. As natural as we'd like to believe our systems are, they're not.

Water changes aren't a myth created by the salt industry. I know of nobody that doesn't see a better reaction in their corals a few hours after performing one. I'm not saying it can't be done, but having that safety net is worth its' weight in salt (pun intended).

 

[drw94]

Apparently I posted the updated pic on the wrong thread, it was meant for a thread I started after my tank crashed after I stopped zeo. So people don't have to find the other thread and the person that says my 7 frags shouldn't take to much time to care for i'll recap what happened.
When I stopped zeo some how my tank biology got all messed up and I ended up losing all corals. The only creatures to survive were my fish, a clam, and a frag. I ended up throwing everything away including live rock and starting over. I lost 2 years worth of coral growth, so it was much more than seven frags( it accually 11, 1 clam, and 1 LPS) I have in the tank currently. My reasons for stopping zeo was because it took to much time to take care of the tank, i didn't enjoy it anymore. I have 2 small children, my wife and I both work 50+ hours a week, and personally I would rather spend time with them instead of dosing a dozen of chemicals on a daily basis. Since the switch to non zeo system I enjoy the tank much more, the growth rates are the same but the color is different(still looks good).

I guess dealing with these threads some people can't help them selves with their comments.

 

[jbannick18]

75 gallon stocked full of sps and 12 fish,

skim a little wet, have chaeto, dose kalk/vinegar through ato, weekly 10 gal wc. works great for me the past year and only spend an hr a week on the tank.

 

[NatureNerd]

75 gallon stocked full of sps and 12 fish,

skim a little wet, have chaeto, dose kalk/vinegar through ato, weekly 10 gal wc. works great for me the past year and only spend an hr a week on the tank.

Same here but no vinegar and 5g every week. I feed light though. If you don't count feeding and glass cleaning, 20 minutes per week is it for me.

I like watching the fish eat so that is probably more than 5 minutes per day or at least 40 more minutes per week. But that is not work.

 

[stevedola]

Really no water changes.. lol.. how. I demand pics!

IME if you have a larger system and its well established you can go many months if not years without water changes. Ive seen plenty of well established SPS tanks that are awesome and the owners dont do anything in the lines of waterchanges. They have big skimmers and cal reactors and are careful not to overfeed which is where a lot of people get caught up. A well established tank will almost sustain livestock without feedings from its algea and pod populations as long as the tank isnt over stocked.

 

[stevedola]

Also after many years in this hobby the trained human eye can distinguish certain abnormalities in their tanks inhabitants. One of my close reef friends can tell by just looking if his mag is alittle low or if hhis alk has dipped alittle by the way some of his colonies are looking. Just because you dont believe doesnt mean its not possible. BTW, his tank *which is amazing* hasnt had a water change in almost a year...minority---yes but very plausible non the less.

I am by no means advocating that everyone stops WCs...just stating that there is a contingent of reefers that have successfully maintained SPS systems without WCs. I personally do biweekly waterchanges. 1 for peace of mind and 2 to export whatever excess nutrients have built up over those 2 weeks. But then again, I have a smaller tank that hasnt been completely stable for years like the systems im referencing and prolly have too many fishes for the amount of water I have in my system.

 

[MammothReefer]

If I could do that I would rent my self out as a tank consulting. Traveling the lands telling people to fix their alk.

 

[Allmost]

Apparently I posted the updated pic on the wrong thread, it was meant for a thread I started after my tank crashed after I stopped zeo. So people don't have to find the other thread and the person that says my 7 frags shouldn't take to much time to care for i'll recap what happened.
When I stopped zeo some how my tank biology got all messed up and I ended up losing all corals. The only creatures to survive were my fish, a clam, and a frag. I ended up throwing everything away including live rock and starting over. I lost 2 years worth of coral growth, so it was much more than seven frags( it accually 11, 1 clam, and 1 LPS) I have in the tank currently. My reasons for stopping zeo was because it took to much time to take care of the tank, i didn't enjoy it anymore. I have 2 small children, my wife and I both work 50+ hours a week, and personally I would rather spend time with them instead of dosing a dozen of chemicals on a daily basis. Since the switch to non zeo system I enjoy the tank much more, the growth rates are the same but the color is different(still looks good).

I guess dealing with these threads some people can't help them selves with their comments.

yea O2 deletion is always a big problem with bacterioplankton systems ...

honestly, I use zeovit, to cut down large water change and to cut down time wasted on cutting back algae in fuge ... but what ever works for you better

 

[DeathMagnetic]

you have 7 frags in there of SPS. What time consumed you in taking care of 7 frags? im not judging you or mocking you but i have a full blown sps tank.i cant even see my rocks anymore and i have enough time to do the family thing and the reef thing

BigBuck.. lets see some pictures of that tank !!!