Can a Calicium Reactor be to Large??

Doe

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My system is about 150 gallon total water volume. I recently aquired a Deltec PF601 CA Reactor which is rated for a much larger system. Can this be a problem or cause any issues???

Here is the specs from deltecs page
Rated for: 520g
Media capacity: 18.5 lbs Rowalith C+ (not included)
Pump: Aqua-Bee 2000
Power Usage: 20 watts
Dimensions: Length: 9.5" Width: 7" Height: 24"
 
I'm going to go out on a limb here starting this off...I was waiting to see what the experts had to say but since nobody has responded yet...

I would guess yes. If it were WAY too big you would have difficulties tuning it down enough to maintain a consistent drip rate. If I turn my drip down to 30 DPM's it clogs in a few short days. If I turn mine up to 120 it remains consistent for a week or more. I have a good needle valve regulating my DPM but I still have clogging issues. I even have it on the influent side to keep it away from the very high calc/alk of the effluent (helping to keep calcium carbonate deposition away from the needle).

A solution: if it were WAY oversized, you might consider using a lower volume of media so you wouldn't have to scale back your drip so much to meet the needs of your system. If you have a lot of fast growing corals though, I would start it out with a relatively full load of media and go from there.

BTW - As your corals grow your demand will too. My calcium reactor started out way oversized relative to the manufacturer's recommendation (420 gallons). FME, I wouldn't say it's oversized at all for a well stocked 65.
 
Not really. Speed up the effluent rate without increasing the co2 bubble count will reduce overall effluent dkh.

Don
 
most reactors are rated for a mixed reef tank, not a full blown sps reef with mature sps colonies. That being said, I think you will be fine.
 
Not really. Speed up the effluent rate without increasing the co2 bubble count will reduce overall effluent dkh.

Doesn't that dump a lot more unused CO2 into the tank though?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11762585#post11762585 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by miwoodar
Doesn't that dump a lot more unused CO2 into the tank though?

No, not if your reactor is working properly or is a decent design.

Don
 
No, not if your reactor is working properly or is a decent design.

Can you explain that in a little more detail? I'm not thinking of gaseous CO2. I'm thinking of dissolved CO2. Aren't you dumping unused dissolved CO2 back into the tank by virtue of the increased throughput? (And suppressing the tank pH even more than it would otherwise be.)

What if we look at this from the other direction? Let's say we wanted to 'decrease' our effluent DPM instead. Wouldn't we expect to more efficiently utilize the CO2 that is being fed into the reactor to make a thicker Cool Aid?


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BTW: I think you guys are probably right that the OP will be fine running this on his tank as is - especially if he's gunning for a hard core, full blown, reef with fast growing corals.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11762963#post11762963 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by miwoodar
What if we look at this from the other direction? Let's say we wanted to 'decrease' our effluent DPM instead. Wouldn't we expect to more efficiently utilize the CO2 that is being fed into the reactor to make a thicker Cool Aid?
yes so you should also consider decreasing CO2 bpm also. if you want the same old Kool-Aid (same effluent DKH)!
 
All your doing with a reactor is creating carbonic acid. Speeding the effluent flow without increasing the co2 will only decrease the acidity of the carbonic acid. Less acidity means less dissolved co2 and an easier to control reactor.

Don
 
All your doing with a reactor is creating carbonic acid. Speeding the effluent flow without increasing the co2 will only decrease the acidity of the carbonic acid. Less acidity means less dissolved co2 and an easier to control reactor.

You're hurting my brain. Please stop making me think :).

But you're decreasing the acidity of the carbonic acid in the reactor by upping the DPM. By doing this, you're passing more CO2 to the tank itself.

If you don't change the CO2 rate and you're varying the drip rate, you're changing the quantity of CO2 that will be used to dissolve the media versus the quantity of CO2 that will pass right out the back end of the reactor and into the tank.

Indeed, the pH of the effluent will be higher (and lower in CO2) when you up the DPM but there will be more total effluent being sent to the tank. The net effect on the tank would be a higher CO2 level (and lower pH).

So, you wouldn't want a crazy large calcium reactor because if it were WAY WAY too large, you could end up just dumping a crap load of unused CO2 to the main tank depressing the pH. If your calcium reactor was this much oversized (I don't think the OP's would qualify as WAY WAY too large), the user might benefit from just adding a smaller quantity of media and setting the DPM, BPM, and pH as he/she would with a smaller reactor.

Here's where I learned how to tune my reactor:
http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/printthread.php?s=&threadid=770351&perpage=478
 
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The reactor does not use or consume co2. Either way any co2 that gets dissolved into the water goes back to the tank irregardless, then off gassed by aeration. So 1 bps co2 dissolved is just that, no matter how fast the effluent rate as long as it dissolves. :)

Don
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11763733#post11763733 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Donw
Either way any co2 that gets dissolved into the water goes back to the tank irregardless, then off gassed by aeration. So 1 bps co2 dissolved is just that, no matter how fast the effluent rate as long as it dissolves. :)
That is the way I understand it also.
 
Ah-ha! That's what I didn't know. I thought the CO2 was actually consumed in the reaction when the CaCO3 was dissolved.
 
Wait a minute - you're pulling my leg. How is the CO2 not consumed in this reaction?

CaCO3 + H2O + CO2 <â€"Ã¢â‚¬"> Ca2+ + 2HCO3-



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Sorry OP, I doubt this is the discussion you were hoping for. Again, I think your setup will be fine if you are looking to set up a fast-growth reef.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11763971#post11763971 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by miwoodar
Wait a minute - you're pulling my leg. How is the CO2 not consumed in this reaction?

CaCO3 + H2O + CO2 <â€"Ã¢â‚¬"> Ca2+ + 2HCO3-



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Sorry OP, I doubt this is the discussion you were hoping for. Again, I think your setup will be fine if you are looking to set up a fast-growth reef.

Thanks for all the info guys, sounds like i will be fine with my new reactor.

I have no problem with this thread getting a little of subject, i learned a couple things i think i will need to know
 
If this is your first calcium reactor, the Korallin thread I linked above was a great help to me when I set mine up.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11763971#post11763971 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by miwoodar
Wait a minute - you're pulling my leg. How is the CO2 not consumed in this reaction?

CaCO3 + H2O + CO2 <â€"Ã¢â‚¬"> Ca2+ + 2HCO3-



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Sorry OP, I doubt this is the discussion you were hoping for. Again, I think your setup will be fine if you are looking to set up a fast-growth reef.

Its CO2 + H20 ---> H2CO3
H2CO3 + CaCO3 ---> Ca + CO3 + HCO3 + CO2.

The co2 is then off gassed in the tank.




:)
 
Donw - thanks. Do you have any favorite articles on this subject that you could link me to? Looks like it's time to take a refresher course.
 
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