Can we talk about links and reds

[jda]

I will try and get some more red pics tonight.

 

[ros_sco]

Here's a couple of my old school red acros. These two keep their red color just fine.


Red Robin

Strawberry Lemonade - one of my largest colonies at 7 inches tall and 15 inches wide.

 

[Peter Eichler]

you are missing the point.

I am NOT talking about elevated levels. I am speaking of keeping levels. good husbandry, meaning enough water changes, will replenish those dosing more will cause an iodine poisoning

scientists writting a paper and studying different proteins is anecodal evidence to you ? or did u not read the linked article ?

Ps. corals look great !

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Aquarium Corals: Making Corals Colorful: New Information on Acropora species

I had a long response to this last night before my computer decided to freeze. Basically what I was saying was, I've read it, and I knew the second I did it would spawn many people supplementing more elements "will nilly" in the aquarium industry and a whole new batch of supplement companies. There is no conclusion in this study that states we should supplement certain elements for certain colors. You and I may know that, the average reef aquarist does not. That average aquarist just wants to do what's best for his\her inhabitants. Then there are the people like Jack Kent, Thiel, Chris Brightwell and the other copycats, that just want to take advantage or the average person's good intentions with their above average knowledge and greed.

 

[trueblackpercula]

Have you found a single source, or two, that use almost the same system and tried to copy it? The issue with some advice is that it has no background for basis. GFO would severely harm my corals since my P is already undetectable, whereas it is probably necessary if you are BB or have a super high fish load. Using GFO could be both good and bad advice/idea at the same time.

I have been dosing vodka and using GFO to ensure that what ever is feeding my algae from hell would eventually die. MyPO4 has been about 0.03 or less but I still have algae that is driving me crazy. So I decided to start adding amino acids to compensate for a ULNSystem.

I have Been thinking about stopping the vodka and starting VSV and see this improves a better source of carbon that my sps can probably benefit from. I just can't start anything new right now I have to wait until the new things I have been trying and see if they work first..

Thanks for the information and I have some more homework to do and will surly enough the reading provided by ALLMOST.

 

[trueblackpercula]

Here's a couple of my old school red acros. These two keep their red color just fine.


Red Robin

Strawberry Lemonade - one of my largest colonies at 7 inches tall and 15 inches wide.

Thanks for sharing your pictures with us and please please don't take this the wrong way as thouse sps are very big and healthy. But they really don't look pink or Ed like some of the others I have seen on reef central or this thread. From the pictures you supplied I had my reds and pinks look a lot like yours and always thought to my self that I needed them to glow like others that I have seen round here.. Are you dosing carbon,run GFO, BIO pellets can you talk more about how you are keeping them?


Again please don't take my comments as bashing you I just don't see there'd and pink in the pictures you posted.

Michael

 

[ksicard]

He doesn't color correct his photos and that's why they look more faded, if you saw them in person I guarantee they would look quite beautiful. I'm also bad with a camera and just post photos that aren't color corrected and they never capture the true colors like I see in person in my tank. But I agree with jda find 2 or 3 tanks that you find the most successful and try to copy their routines/husbandry. I have found the most basic of approaches to work for me best, weekly/bi-weekly water changes, replenishing ca/mg/alk to keep stable, and maintaining a healthy level of N and P and not ULNS. Seems to work for me and I have no trouble coloring up my pinks and reds.

 

[biggles]

I use nothing but a skimmer and feed the fish and corals as much food as the system will tolerate daily. Nothing else goes in the water except for 2 part dosing as you know Michael.

Tried to color correct the iphone pic as best i could

What the iphone actually gives me to work with.

 

[trueblackpercula]

I use nothing but a skimmer and feed the fish and corals as much food as the system will tolerate daily. Nothing else goes in the water except for 2 part dosing as you know Michael.

Tried to color correct the iphone pic as best i could

What the iphone actually gives me to work with.

Amazing once again Mr. Big

Is your two part home made or name brand.

 

[biggles]

Here's my dosing stuff. I just started using the Mg from Seachem but i was using a bulk supply Mg supplement until i ran out.

 

[trueblackpercula]

Here's my dosing stuff. I just started using the Mg from Seachem but i was using a bulk supply Mg supplement until i ran out.

Thanks Big for sharing, I don't see what you use for calcium. is it the SPA treatment? never seen that before very interesting.

 

[biggles]

The Spa Hardness Increaser is just 99.9% calcium chloride but i see less settled contaminants on the container bottom than when i was buying a pool hardness increaser so that's the only reason i use the spa one.

 

[Allmost]

I had a long response to this last night before my computer decided to freeze. Basically what I was saying was, I've read it, and I knew the second I did it would spawn many people supplementing more elements "will nilly" in the aquarium industry and a whole new batch of supplement companies. There is no conclusion in this study that states we should supplement certain elements for certain colors. You and I may know that, the average reef aquarist does not. That average aquarist just wants to do what's best for his\her inhabitants. Then there are the people like Jack Kent, Thiel, Chris Brightwell and the other copycats, that just want to take advantage or the average person's good intentions with their above average knowledge and greed.

I am not responsible for others not reading carefully ... or not understanding it fully.

you asked for science, I provided, yet you still are arguing with me

 

[animalkingdom]

you are missing the point.

I am NOT talking about elevated levels. I am speaking of keeping levels. good husbandry, meaning enough water changes, will replenish those dosing more will cause an iodine poisoning

scientists writting a paper and studying different proteins is anecodal evidence to you ? or did u not read the linked article ?

Ps. corals look great !

Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Aquarium Corals: Making Corals Colorful: New Information on Acropora species

the majority of what those articles say is give your coral lots of light (around 400par) and you will get good color...

 

[PrangeWay]

Some Will Color Up Nice

Some Will Color Up Nice

Just moved 1000 miles and didn't take my tank so this coral was given to a friend, but when ordered from Divers Den it was;

Ordered


Zeo Tank with T5's and a few months of growth;


Now I haven't had as much luck with Milli's under LED's color wise, but I'm sure someone has that can give tips on it.

Tank was full Zeo system, following the guide exactly.


PW

 

[Allmost]

the majority of what those articles say is give your coral lots of light (around 400par) and you will get good color...

Ummm ....

 

[jda]

You can grep all four of those articles and iodine and potassium don't show up in any of them. Did you mean to link a different article than what was quoted in post 33?

 

[Allmost]

you caught me .... LOLOL

post number 2.... maybe read it.

Red protein ... post number 2.

now u want me to provide articles prooving my point about iodine ? how about no

 

[jda]

What is going on? How do any of these studies affect anything in our tanks?

I see a quote about some minute number of elements that are neither testable or recommended that anybody add them to their tank. Even if you did dose any of these things, where is a study to see if the proteins absorb them before the aragonite would? How much is too much? How little is too little? Do you get enough of this in a good salt mix? If so, which one?

This is all a bunch of academic banter, to me. It is interesting, but none of this appears either actionable or reasonably well constructed enough to lead to any conclusions about much of anything to change husbandry.

As such, these are anecdotes to most.

 

[Allmost]

LOLOL I LOVE YOU PPL !

Where is the science ? [I provide science about the red protein ]
"This is all a bunch of academic banter"

LOLOL

Just simply amazing.

 

[jda]

Where is the action to take? Where are the measurements to make? What are the results we can see by having too much, or too little? There is no way to apply this science. Without a real application, then yes, it is academic.