Carbon and GFO

Deftones2015

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I am wondering how important GFO and carbon are to a reef tank? I know it's a huge debate but I would like some opinions rather than 5 articles that argue different sides.

Should I run both or just one or the other? If I should run carbon OR both, should I put the carbon in a bag and put it in my bubble trap or run it in a reactor too?

Also, what type of reactor is best. I'm thinking about a brs reactor because I used 2 little fishies last time on my 75 and had a lot of issues with leaking.

And the verdict is.....:hammer:
 
Putting anything in a bag isnt going to do much, if anything. Run both in ractors(both in one or double) if you do anything.
 
You'll hear different opinions because every tank is different and has different needs. It's possible to have a successful tank with neither carbon or GFO but it probably isn't very common.

A tank that doesn't have many corals or not many that are different may do just fine with carbon in a bag. A reactor can be a good investment because a great many corals spend their time trying to kill their neighbors by secreting poisons into the water. Carbon in a bag is less effective in the same way that a DI cartridge sitting at the bottom of your RO bin wouldn't do much, but again if you have a light load it might be fine. I recommend using a high quality carbon like BRS Rox. There's a recall right now on Kent carbon because it releases heavy metals into tanks that it adsorbed during mining/processing. There's also some evidence that cheaper, dustier carbons can lead to head and lateral line erosion disease in some tangs. YMMV

Likewise some tanks do fine without doing anything to get rid of phosphates. But I recommend anyone setting up a new tank or having algae issues on an existing tank plan on having a phosphate plan in place, be it GFO, carbon dosing or both. Especially if you have a lot of fish, feed a lot or have an aquascape with areas that can't be cleaned. Like with carbon, sometimes you can get away with having it in a bag especially if you have a media tray in your sump, but since GFO is more expensive it makes sense to have a reactor to exhaust every molecular hole in the media before replacing it.

I'm personally a big fan of the BRS deluxe reactors because they install securely to a wall or stand, don't take up sump space, are easily configurable and it's very easy to swap media, especially if you have spare cartridges. You can regenerate GFO several times without ever taking it out of the cartridge if you have a spare reactor and you're into that sort of thing. The con of the BRS reactors is that some people have problems with them clogging or clumping. Some of those people report problems with particulates clogging the cartridge screens and slowing flow when the tank lacks mechanical filtration. Others just report 'mystery clumping' that is resolved by removing the cartridge and jostling it a bit. Again, YMMV but I personally am quite fond of these reactors, especially when driven by a return manifold with gate valves. I think the TLF reactors are a little wimpy and wouldn't feel comfortable leaving one unattended for a week.
 
+1 on BRS dual reactors but MJ1200 pump won't cut it with the dua reactors. I use a mag 5. Fairly new but I know with my GFO reactor I rarely need to wipe the glass and P4 readings are much lower. Just my .02..
 
Activated carbon can help in a number of ways that other forms of filtration can't, like remove certain types of organics. I think it's worth running, but many tanks get along without it.
 
I have a 180g mixed reef with lots of sps and lps corals (almost wall to wall now), connected to an anemone tank with about 15 nems and a few clowns. In the 2 years I have had this tank set up, I have never run carbon and only ran GFO for about 6 weeks when I had a small hairy algae outbreak. I do have 2 reactors plumbed into my sump in case I need to run either or both.

I think it's fine to run both or either of these. But why run either one if you don't need to? Do you take cold meds when you are feeling healthy? Why run carbon or GFO if you don't need them? If you have an algae problem, run GFO for awhile. If you get a chemical issue (corals at war), run carbon. But why run either if you don't have a good reason to?
 
I have a 180g mixed reef with lots of sps and lps corals (almost wall to wall now), connected to an anemone tank with about 15 nems and a few clowns. In the 2 years I have had this tank set up, I have never run carbon and only ran GFO for about 6 weeks when I had a small hairy algae outbreak. I do have 2 reactors plumbed into my sump in case I need to run either or both.

I think it's fine to run both or either of these. But why run either one if you don't need to? Do you take cold meds when you are feeling healthy? Why run carbon or GFO if you don't need them? If you have an algae problem, run GFO for awhile. If you get a chemical issue (corals at war), run carbon. But why run either if you don't have a good reason to?

Curious to know how you determine that you don't need it?

GFO as an example...while vodka dosing my phosphates were consistently at zero. I was running GFO along side vodka. After removing the GFO, I continued with the vodka and my phosphates remained at zero. Conclusion, I don't need to use GFO because phosphates remained at zero.

How do you determine that with carbon?
 
I am wondering how important GFO and carbon are to a reef tank? I know it's a huge debate but I would like some opinions rather than 5 articles that argue different sides.

Should I run both or just one or the other? If I should run carbon OR both, should I put the carbon in a bag and put it in my bubble trap or run it in a reactor too?

Also, what type of reactor is best. I'm thinking about a brs reactor because I used 2 little fishies last time on my 75 and had a lot of issues with leaking.

And the verdict is.....:hammer:

I wouldn't characterize it as a huge debate. There are many ways to keep reef tanks, and a variety of ways to deal with phosphate (the goal of GFO) and organics (the goal of GAC).

In general, you do need to deal with both somehow, and GFO and GAC are fine choices. I use GAC, GFO, skimming, lots of live rock in refugia topped with macroalgae, organic carbon dosing, and water changes to deal with excess nutrients and organics. :)
 
I'm thinking one way to tell would be to take a reading of ORP, add carbon and see if ORP is affected.

or

Eliminate carbon by using ozone.

I'm puzzled as I always thought of carbon as essential to keeping my water looking it's best. Sometimes I don't even realize the difference until I change it and wake up next day to a clearer looking tank. It's the difference between your tank looking "great" to your tank looking "amazing." That's the best way I can put it from my experience.
 
Putting anything in a bag isnt going to do much, if anything. Run both in ractors(both in one or double) if you do anything.
I can't agree on this. I've ran carbon for over 8 yrs in a bag between baffles with success. Only used a reactor recently w/ new setup to cut down on maintenance.
 
Putting anything in a bag isnt going to do much, if anything. Run both in ractors(both in one or double) if you do anything.

I also disagree with this. I've run carbon and GFO in mesh media bags for many, many years and had great success and results using them this way. This method has proven very effective. I also place my bagged media between sump baffels.
 
I have almost always run gac , 24/7. Excess organics can be harmful to corals so exporting some of them via gac makes sense to me and I don't care for yellow water. I also use some gfo( much less than efore dosing organic carbon ) along with vodka and vinegar dosing. It helps keep the POP4 in the the low range .
I use a canister filter with t gac in a mesh bag in it. I prefer the two little fishes reactors to the brs reactor for gfo. Easy to change out ,flows nice , and easily viewable.
 
I am running a BRS dual GFO/Carbon reactor with a maxi-Jet 1000. flow regulated to about 1/2 via ball valve so the GFO media gently rolls in the canister. I like it, runs 24/7.
Phosphate is .04-.06 Everyone seems happy?
 
I am runnin a pair of next reef reactors with BRS GFO and Carbon. I am using two cups of GFO in the one reactor, and 4 cups of carbon in the other. I replace the carbon every 2 weeks and the GFO every 4. I believe running the carbon is a must to deal with any type of possible pollutants, and in my case the GFO is a must as otherwise my Phosphates jump up since I feed heavy in the tank. Very pleased with the next reef reactors and they are very inexpensive from Marine Depot
 
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