Chloroquine Primer

[Dustin Thompson]

So on a somewhat separate note, the last time I medicated with the ick shield product, I used one of the 2.5 gallon containers to hold some RO DI that had the ick shield powder in it. It had that solution in it for probably close to a month.

I am wondering if the ick shield would have absorbed into the plastic of the container? And if so, would it be a concern that it will leach back out into any water in the container? It wasn't expensive, $8 or so, but my Scottish ancestry forbids me from throwing something like that away

 

[Dmorty217]

I doubt that is absorbed into the plastic, I would just rinse well and use it if it were me. Alprazo, thanks for letting us know that mollusks are unaffected. What kind of clams, or is it safe to assume all? So on the list of inverts that are unaffected by CP is: Isopods, shrimp, hermits, (I would guess reef lobsters, since they also have a exoskeleton) and mollusks. Anyone have anything to add to the list?

 

[alprazo]

I had kept clams and oysters, from the supermarket in my 125 qt - that I keep running. I thought I pulled them all before a treatment, but broke down the tank and found multiple clams in the sand and two oysters behind a rock. They must have gone through four, 30 day courses of CP. I cracked them and they all looked healthy. I just forgot to post it until now.

 

[Fish Bowl]

I would assume Photosynthetic Clams would probably suffer the same way corals would (death of zooxanthellae) so that probably won't work out too well.

 

[ThRoewer]

Does that mean non photosynthetic corals could survive it too?

 

[rssjsb]

Does that mean non photosynthetic corals could survive it too?

No. It will kill corals.

 

[alprazo]

I would assume Photosynthetic Clams would probably suffer the same way corals would (death of zooxanthellae) so that probably won't work out too well.

Good point.

 

[snorvich]

I would assume Photosynthetic Clams would probably suffer the same way corals would (death of zooxanthellae) so that probably won't work out too well.

I agree.

 

[Mishri]

Just an FYI: I Had no luck treating freshwater ich with CP. -specifically New Life Spectrum Ich Shield. batch of 8 clown loaches, over a week they all displayed white spots. This could have just been a strong strain.. but it did wipe out my freshwater tank... looking at cichlids now, as I got rid of all my plants but anubias. (Removed them during treatment for fear it would kill them). So, for freshwater treatment i'll stick to the old tried and working methods.

 

[Shark.Bait]

I have decreased my QT CP treatment regimen to 10 days t 75 F. This is for new fish in a newly setup treatment tank. Reviewing again the life cycle and the way CP appears to treat the parasite, 10 should be sufficient for both ich and velvet.

Any updates on this? What dosageeas used during your 10 day treatment?

 

[alprazo]

For the 10 day therapy I use 40mg / gal

 

[alprazo]

I wanted to post that I have had an outbreak of ich in newly acquired PBTs despite using CP. They started showing signs of ich two days after arrival. New tank, fresh water and CP from a vet pharmacy that was ~ 2 years old and had worked before. Kept in a dry, cool, dark cabinet.

I added pharmaceutical grade, branded CP (Avloclor) at a dose of 20 mg/gal and after one day they have not worsened. Will update.

 

[Shark.Bait]

I wanted to post that I have had an outbreak of ich in newly acquired PBTs despite using CP. They started showing signs of ich two days after arrival. New tank, fresh water and CP from a vet pharmacy that was ~ 2 years old and had worked before. Kept in a dry, cool, dark cabinet.

I added pharmaceutical grade, branded CP (Avloclor) at a dose of 20 mg/gal and after one day they have not worsened. Will update.

Is the 20mg/gal a second round of CP? What dose and length did the first treatment fail at?

 

[alprazo]

Visually the tangs are free of disease. They immediately went into 40mg/gal of CP in a newly set up tank and despite treatment of the tangs, they started to show classic signs of ich within the first few days of arrival. They became dusted quickly but never showed signs of respiratory distress. I added branded pharmaceutical CP at a dose of 20mg/gal without removing the current CP or doing any water changes. Since that time the disease progression stopped and they all have cleared visually. I have never had to dose above 40mg/gal and believe the the lack efficacy of the first CP is from old product.

 

[Shark.Bait]

Visually the tangs are free of disease. They immediately went into 40mg/gal of CP in a newly set up tank and despite treatment of the tangs, they started to show classic signs of ich within the first few days of arrival. They became dusted quickly but never showed signs of respiratory distress. I added branded pharmaceutical CP at a dose of 20mg/gal without removing the current CP or doing any water changes. Since that time the disease progression stopped and they all have cleared visually. I have never had to dose above 40mg/gal and believe the the lack efficacy of the first CP is from old product.

Thanks for the update. Have you found the 10 days in QT at 40mg/gal to be effective with ich?

 

[Shark.Bait]

double post

 

[kelp47]

I hope it's okay that I ask this here. I see that you have been testing various time frames with CP treatment, so I wanted to know what your recommendation would be for visibly infected fish in a fresh QT setup.

I have a couple of clowns that appeared to have ich (though for some reason TTM completely failed for me). After trying TTM, I set up a sanitized tank with the recommended does of Ick Shield Powder and put them here. The following day, every single spot was gone, which really impressed me! I understand the importance of following through with full treatments, so I intended to go the full 21 days as instructed by the meds. But I'm wondering if this is really necessary for fish who began meds in a freshly set up QT.

I've also been advised to move them to another fresh tank after the treatment for 2 weeks of observation, which sounds reasonable.

 

[sbreefer]

is there another more accessible drug that works as well as CP? there are way more common modern anti malarials out there now.

 

[kelp47]

is there another more accessible drug that works as well as CP? there are way more common modern anti malarials out there now.

I'm sure the expert will chime in soon, but I can tell you that Ick Shield Powder has CP for the main ingredient and is readily available. I bought a bottle of it on Amazon (see link below). You dose once and leave the meds in for 21 days, and you just have to be sure to medicate any water used for water changes. Tip: Since I don't have a scale, I asked a local pharmacist to measure out my initial dose and a few others for water changes and he did it for no charge.

I am on day 9 of treatment with two clowns in QT, but their spots were actually gone the day after I moved them to the medicated tank!

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00MNQWACU?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00

 

[scuzy]

Ick shield contains cp or a derivative. Used it on some platinum clowns