Cloudy water. Added sugar 18 hours ago.

[Slakker]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12757949#post12757949 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CyanoMagnet
Lack of adequate water flow, Bioballs sitting in the sump, a sponge sitting in the sump, skimmer broken for 3 months and no water change for over a year (other than replacing skim water). I had nitrates of 20.

First, I did'nt realy have "consistently elvevated nitrate"problem. Thats you jumping to that conclusion.. I have had 0-5 ppm nitrates for as long as I can remember even upto a few months ago. A skimmer breakdown amongst other things helped it edge to a modest 20ppm, which still is not the horrible beast you make it out to be.

And yet, with equipment failure and the knowledge that your tank has had nutrient problems in the past, you didn't start doing water changes? I don't understand why that wasn't your first step towards lowering them again, or why the skimmer is still not in a functioning state.

For the record, plenty of people (including myself) keep tanks without skimmers and don't have nitrates as high as 20ppm.

-Forum Troll Extraordinaire

 

[fuschia_red]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12757906#post12757906 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stevedola
i have hearing.

and yet you disreguard it as meaningless? smart.

I disregard it; but I didn't ignore it.

Success in this hobby can be a matter of trial and error; but I'm a little slow to the concept of insensible and needless sarcasm on both your part and cyano. Clearly the use of sugar is a failed attempt at IMHO cutting corners. Cyano has already established that. No offense, but perhaps he might consider going back to basics.

Whether I test for pH, Nitrites, Nitrates, Ammonia, Strontium, Magnesium, Calcium, kH, Alkalinity, etc., just because I choose not to test for certain things as opposed to others isn't neccesarily a bad thing.

 

[fuschia_red]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758362#post12758362 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CyanoMagnet
I was just cracking a joke about you being lazy. You are obviously proud of your husbandry (and you should be) and have never had a bacterial bloom. I never have either but the more I research it the more confident I am that its not so bad and it won't get much worse. The cloudy water conditions are temporary and will go away.

The history of reefkeeping has a very similar story. Everyone tried to put rocks in their tanks, and a few weeks later it stunk, looked terrible, cloudy and was deadly to anything in it. So they dumped it, rinsed the tank and called it a day.

But it was that one person who stayed with it, cycled it and was successfull for the first time in history.

So was I. The funny thing is...changing 10% once a week is far better diligence than finding an alternative. That's why I failed to see the humor behind changing 80%. It's neither funny nor intelligent.

 

[fuschia_red]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758370#post12758370 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
And yet, with equipment failure and the knowledge that your tank has had nutrient problems in the past, you didn't start doing water changes? I don't understand why that wasn't your first step towards lowering them again, or why the skimmer is still not in a functioning state.

For the record, plenty of people (including myself) keep tanks without skimmers and don't have nitrates as high as 20ppm.

-Forum Troll Extraordinaire

very true.

I have a nano right now that doesn't have anything but live rock and a small powerhead.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758370#post12758370 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
And yet, with equipment failure and the knowledge that your tank has had nutrient problems in the past, you didn't start doing water changes? I don't understand why that wasn't your first step towards lowering them again, or why the skimmer is still not in a functioning state.

For the record, plenty of people (including myself) keep tanks without skimmers and don't have nitrates as high as 20ppm.

-Forum Troll Extraordinaire

The skimmer is working fine now, I stated that earlier in the thread, but I also stated other possible reasons for having nitrates at 20, including bio balls, and sponges in the sump, as well as water rate.

And here is a cookie for not using a skimmer and having nitrates below 20. Realy, heres a cookie.

I have been quite busy with work and a family and realy haven't had the time this past year to do much with my tank except bare minimums, and frankly the broken down skimmer went unnoticed, mainly because there is virtualy no algae growth in my tank and everything is doing well.

Not sure how tough your IT techician work schedule is (Apparently I am in the wrong line of business) but obviously you have more time on your hands than I do. So again, congratulations and heres a pat on your back for having less than 20 nitrates.

 

[fuschia_red]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758023#post12758023 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by stevedola
formal? like what? classes? yes. I took 8yrs of music/concert band in HS and college but you dont need training to know that song is horrid. The majority of the world has no formal training with music however that doesnt discredit their opinion...infact Id think that their positive opinion represented by money is what most musicians strive for...but since they have for formal experience with music their opinion is meaningless, right?

I always find it hillarious when people ask for credentials during an online forum chat. Im done talking to you when youre obviously trying to pick a fight. Enjoy the rest of your day.

and this is why I dont frequent general reef dis.

steve,

You know...I'm going to have to say that your opinion of music borders on plain ethnocentric ignorance. I suppose if I set the video to Van Halen, Heart, Metallica, or the like, you're opinion may be different.

The saltwater aquarium hobby is what I do once in a while; you should see what I can do with an electric guitar. Also, I am offended by what you said but I can assure you, those two who sung that duet make more money than you.

 

[Salty Prata]

Cyano, I dose sugar and the first few times that I messed around with it my water got cloudy. If you want to get rid of the cloudiness run carbon in your system through high flow. If you don't have a mechanical filter to put it in then try putting it in a mesh bag and sticking it right to your return pump or powerhead intake. The cloudiness should be gone in two or three hours.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758399#post12758399 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fuschia_red
So was I. The funny thing is...changing 10% once a week is far better diligence than finding an alternative. That's why I failed to see the humor behind changing 80%. It's neither funny nor intelligent.

The realy funny thing is changing water 10% a week will not alone reduce or even stop the ebb of building nutrients.

Its just bad advice.

Read this article by someone I consider to be a expert on the subject.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758817#post12758817 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Salty Prata
Cyano, I dose sugar and the first few times that I messed around with it my water got cloudy. If you want to get rid of the cloudiness run carbon in your system through high flow. If you don't have a mechanical filter to put it in then try putting it in a mesh bag and sticking it right to your return pump or powerhead intake. The cloudiness should be gone in two or three hours.

Thanks. I appreciate the constructive advice. I am going to see this through thoe. Im guessing once the bloom runs out of things to feed on(carbon, nitrate, etc) , the cloudy water will dissipate (as witnessed by many) and become crystal clear.

If I see any problems with my livestock I will certainly do a 50% waterchange and run carbon.

At the moment I am skimming very wet. Nothing is showing signs of stress.

 

[Slakker]

It seems you're not paying attention to what the article actually says. In every image on the page, it shows nitrates and their accumulation reduced through water changes.

The most effective shown being 30% of the total water volume each month...and, guess what, 10% each week is at least 40%, which is a step up from that.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758965#post12758965 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
It seems you're not paying attention to what the article actually says. In every image on the page, it shows nitrates and their accumulation reduced through water changes.

The most effective shown being 30% of the total water volume each month...and, guess what, 10% each week is at least 40%, which is a step up from that.

Perhaps you are misinterpretting the information the writer is attempting to convey.

We were discussing 10% maintanance changes , and it was your assertion that my nitrates were 20ppm because I did not perform this function.


"Normal sized water changes alone will not normally keep nitrate and phosphate adequately low. I discuss it here:

Water Changes in Reef Aquaria
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php"

Now, in an attempt to make peace and get my thread back on topic, could you kindly stop your attempts at "helping" me?

 

[fuschia_red]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12758902#post12758902 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CyanoMagnet
The realy funny thing is changing water 10% a week will not alone reduce or even stop the ebb of building nutrients.

Its just bad advice.

Read this article by someone I consider to be a expert on the subject.

http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php

Amazing. Do whatever you please. Dose it with sugar, cyanide, table salt, fly ash, copper, asbestos, whatever. But don't say weekly 10% water changes is bad, b/c it's not.

 

[Slakker]

"Water changes of 15-30% per month (whether carried out once a month, daily or continuously) have been shown in the graphs above to be useful in moderating the drift of these different seawater components from starting levels. For most reef aquaria, I recommend such changes as good aquarium husbandry."

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759011#post12759011 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fuschia_red
Amazing. Do whatever you please. Dose it with sugar, cyanide, table salt, fly ash, copper, asbestos, whatever. But don't say weekly 10% water changes is bad, b/c it's not.

I never said it was bad, I said it was bad advice to imply that changing your water 10% a week would eliminate or even keep nitrate levels low.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759017#post12759017 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
"Water changes of 15-30% per month (whether carried out once a month, daily or continuously) have been shown in the graphs above to be useful in moderating the drift of these different seawater components from starting levels. For most reef aquaria, I recommend such changes as good aquarium husbandry."

Again, somewhere or somehow you are misinterpretting the information you are trying to receive. That quote was not taken out of context, its clear as day what the writer means to convey.

And that is "Normal sized water changes alone will not normally keep nitrate and phosphate adequately low."

Quoted again for effect.

And please do stop "helping". I've had about as much of you as I can take. Perhaps you had a bad day at work? I know IT tech can be a tough job at times. Stop taking it out on the thread.

 

[Slakker]

"In this case, it is very clear that water changes can usefully limit the nitrate concentration."

 

[fuschia_red]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759035#post12759035 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CyanoMagnet
I never said it was bad, I said it was bad advice to imply that changing your water 10% a week would eliminate or even keep nitrate levels low.

Well guess what? It does. It lowers nitrate levels well below detection. I encourage it and many do as well. Perhaps you should try it and you'll agree it works; better than sugar. People underestimate the simplicity of this hobby by experimenting with complex chemistry. sugar? I don't care what article mentions it or who does it. That is bad advice. You cannot tell a novice who ever that may be in this hobby that all his problems will be solved by adding "a spoon full of sugar".

 

[Slakker]

1. The quotes I have placed into this thread from the article are directly from the article.
2. Your quote, "Normal sized water changes alone will not normally keep nitrate and phosphate adequately low." is not found anywhere within the text, nor is anything similar.
3. I am not an IT Technician. Big difference between information technology and software development, not intrinsically relevant here, but true nonetheless.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759068#post12759068 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker

"In this case, it is very clear that water changes can usefully limit the nitrate concentration."

Ahh well. Whats the use?

You are here to pick a fight, its obvious. Maybe you are here to prove you are smart, maybe a bad IT tech day. Who knows. Regardeless, I am done feeding the trolls and playing semantics.

You can take it up with the author of the article himself, and he will tell you exactly what I just quoted.

10% water changes a week are not by themselves adequate to control nitrate levels. Period.

Thanks to those who provided me with constructive critism and/or answers.

Good day.

 

[CyanoMagnet]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759108#post12759108 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
1. The quotes I have placed into this thread from the article are directly from the article.
2. Your quote, "Normal sized water changes alone will not normally keep nitrate and phosphate adequately low." is not found anywhere within the text, nor is anything similar.
3. I am not an IT Technician. Big difference between information technology and software development, not intrinsically relevant here, but true nonetheless.

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1410864

Good bye.