Cloudy water. Added sugar 18 hours ago.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759068#post12759068 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
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"In this case, it is very clear that water changes can usefully limit the nitrate concentration."



To me that graph shows that after a year the amount of nitrates leveled out. With 30% changes leveling out around the 10PPM zone. That chart doesnt have much data if any for a 10% waterchange in the nitrate ranges we wish to keep.

4 10% changes does not equal 40% its actually ~34.39% ;)
 
Well,

I do 10% water changes every week and I doubt anyone here can match the water quality I provide my reef inhabitants. Sugar is not a solution; Cyano has proven it. A cloudy water column and stringey bacteria is proof. But, tke...if you feel sugar works best; more power to you.
 
Nice thread you guys have going here. I agree that water changes are very important to most systems. With that said, and I would not recommend this, I have done exactly two in the last twelve months for a sum total of ~35 gallons on an 85 gallon system. I feed very heavy, somewhat overskim, have a 1" SSB, run 3 tbspoons GFO/month, and dose a carbon source on a daily basis. I haven't lost a coral in a few years (when my hydnophora attacked a birdsnest) and my SPS colors are good. Nitrates are ND. Phosphates, I have a hobby grade test kit (like 95% of the people here on RC) so who knows what they really are. I test Ca and Alk weekly. Magnesium monthly (for whoever it was that discounted the importance of magnesium, you'll change your tune once you have difficulties maintaining reasonable Ca/Alk levels and can't figure out why). The house has the pics.

Carbon sources are not snake oil and they are not treating the symptom. There are many ways to skin a cat though...keep your system has you see fit relative to your research (and keep doing more research).
 
Did I ever say I use sugar in my tank? If your saying your 10% water changes alone keep your water cleaner then anyone elses..... well then :lol: your wrong.

There are a thousand ways to make a successful reef tank, you choose one and say its the best. Kudos to you, its not my tank. I accept many different methods and have found one that works well for me. It also happens to work for many other reefers out there with much MUCH more developed tanks then yourself.

I would be careful to shun others ideas or knowledge so easily.

Also you seem to ignore the fact that the OP made a mistake and continue on about your useless rant. Yes water changes are good. Yes cloudy water isn't good. Yes stringy bacteria isn't good. Ok we get your point, it was made many times by people other then yourself.... not only in this thread but in any other thread pertaining to this subject, which you seem to ignore.

And since you want to compete. I do 24/7 water changes along with a 30-50 gallon change each week. I run two skimmers both rated for 500+ gallons. I still don't think I have the cleanest water of everyone else here. If doing a 10% water change gives you the best water quality then the other 193 thousand reefers on this forum I would think your tank would look quite a bit more mature. You don't really have many large colonies that I would expect from the greatest reefer of all time.
 
I have read the thread, and I believe the original poster was simply wanting to know why the water was cloudy and whether or not it was related to sugar. I have to say that some of you have forced your opinions to the point of totally derailing this guys thread.... Sugar, Vodka, and Vinegar "DO WORK" at lowering nitrates. This is referred to as carbon source dosing. Many SPS gurus, myself included do use carbon source dosing to keep a "Low Nutrient" tank that is capable of high nutrient input. Personally, I too have overdosed, and have had a cloudy tank from doing so, with no ill-effects. This usually subsides after about 48 hours or so. After the tank clears, continue light dosing, and you will simply be amazed at the clarity of the water. The water has very little algae, giving a white clear appearance where your lights will penetrate the water with vast improvement. The thread starter simply over did it. I use vodka, sugar, and vinegar. I also use Prodibio products as well as aminos, rotifeast, coral vibrance, and phytoplankton, all which increase nitrates if not balanced by aggressive skimming and c-source dosing. So, to make statements indicating that this is "Snake Oil", I feel is a bit ignorant. There certainly are more traditional means of reefkeeping, and to each his own. I feel that c-source dosing should be employed more for balancing systems that rely on heavy feedings, complementing heavy nutrient export. Basically, this is similair to running an "Ultralith" or "Zeovit" type system without all $$$$. I guess these systems are "Snake Oil" too.....LOL....
 
mabe if he name the tread sumting else none of tis would of happen he wouldn of put sugar skimmer wouldbe working nitrat will be low...waterchang everyting just nex time rename te tread
 
Yes. Rename the thread...

This thread sucked, I'm glad I'm not a part of it...wait a min, DOH!
haha


Now go sit in front of your tanks and think about what you've done!

sorry Cyano, hopefully next time you have a question you won't be shy to ask, and the "too cool for you" guys can find somethin better to do.
 
BTW, people really shouldn't get so worked up about what others say on here. for example:

I'm gonna go home and cry like a panzie while I clean out my Nitrate factory. My tank sucks so bad anyways, it's not worth the stand its on...haha
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759676#post12759676 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sk8rreefgeek


sorry Cyano, hopefully next time you have a question you won't be shy to ask, and the "too cool for you" guys can find somethin better to do.


Nah, you kidding? This is by far the best community on the web.

You think I would give it up just because 2 guys have issues?

BTW the cloud is already clearing up.. Everyone is doing good... and Nitrates are DEFFINETLY coming down. I will dose again (a much lower dosage :lol: ) when its completely clear...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759504#post12759504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tkeracer619
I do 24/7 water changes along with a 30-50 gallon change each week. I run two skimmers both rated for 500+ gallons.


Tek, I realy like your tank. I noticed you have a DSB as well. I have been thinking of going barebottom for sps, because, well, the tunze's are great at moving sand:lol: . How do you fare with the higher waterflow and a DSB? Do you have any tricks you employ to keep the DSB relatively stable?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759504#post12759504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tkeracer619
Did I ever say I use sugar in my tank? If your saying your 10% water changes alone keep your water cleaner then anyone elses..... well then :lol: your wrong.

There are a thousand ways to make a successful reef tank, you choose one and say its the best. Kudos to you, its not my tank. I accept many different methods and have found one that works well for me. It also happens to work for many other reefers out there with much MUCH more developed tanks then yourself.

I would be careful to shun others ideas or knowledge so easily.

Also you seem to ignore the fact that the OP made a mistake and continue on about your useless rant. Yes water changes are good. Yes cloudy water isn't good. Yes stringy bacteria isn't good. Ok we get your point, it was made many times by people other then yourself.... not only in this thread but in any other thread pertaining to this subject, which you seem to ignore.

And since you want to compete. I do 24/7 water changes along with a 30-50 gallon change each week. I run two skimmers both rated for 500+ gallons. I still don't think I have the cleanest water of everyone else here. If doing a 10% water change gives you the best water quality then the other 193 thousand reefers on this forum I would think your tank would look quite a bit more mature. You don't really have many large colonies that I would expect from the greatest reefer of all time.

Good for you...and yet, you complain. Do what you want. Create your own video and be happy. Yes, I have small colonies; not bad for a couple of months worth of "simple water changes" (no sugar added; call it...diet reef). But don't be mad b/c I don't take care of other peoples' tanks.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759504#post12759504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by tkeracer619
Did I ever say I use sugar in my tank? If your saying your 10% water changes alone keep your water cleaner then anyone elses..... well then :lol: your wrong.

There are a thousand ways to make a successful reef tank, you choose one and say its the best. Kudos to you, its not my tank. I accept many different methods and have found one that works well for me. It also happens to work for many other reefers out there with much MUCH more developed tanks then yourself.

I would be careful to shun others ideas or knowledge so easily.

Also you seem to ignore the fact that the OP made a mistake and continue on about your useless rant. Yes water changes are good. Yes cloudy water isn't good. Yes stringy bacteria isn't good. Ok we get your point, it was made many times by people other then yourself.... not only in this thread but in any other thread pertaining to this subject, which you seem to ignore. The day is over and now I can go home and enjoy my diet-reef.

And since you want to compete. I do 24/7 water changes along with a 30-50 gallon change each week. I run two skimmers both rated for 500+ gallons. I still don't think I have the cleanest water of everyone else here. If doing a 10% water change gives you the best water quality then the other 193 thousand reefers on this forum I would think your tank would look quite a bit more mature. You don't really have many large colonies that I would expect from the greatest reefer of all time.

Good for you...and yet, you complain. Do what you want. Create your own video and be happy. Yes, I have small colonies; not bad for a couple of months worth of "simple water changes" (no sugar added; call it...diet reef). But don't be mad b/c I don't take care of other peoples' tanks.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759676#post12759676 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by sk8rreefgeek
Yes. Rename the thread...

The OP knew his answer by the third post on the thread. The rest is just people who get worked up and those that are working them up, some intentionally. All in all its been an informative thread in an abstract way..... I am involved simply to get IBTL


During the time of this thread. I did my weekly water change, cleaned the glass, cleaned 2 skimmers, moved some frags around to get better light, clipped a few new frags because two of my millis are growing into each other, cleaned off the powerheads, and also cleaned the overflow teeth. I tested my calcium and mag. Calcium is still high around 460 but is falling about 20 ppm each week so I should be right on next week and can boost my calcium reactor a bit.

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12759884#post12759884 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fuschia_red
Good for you...and yet, you complain. Do what you want. Create your own video and be happy. Yes, I have small colonies; not bad for a couple of months worth of "simple water changes" (no sugar added; call it...diet reef). But don't be mad b/c I don't take care of other peoples' tanks.

I'm not mad at all =]
 
Wow so many people so adamant about things they have no idea about.

Is water cleared up yet?

Sugar can temporarily increase the nitrite and nitrate, but it will fall sooner then later.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12760028#post12760028 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
Wow so many people so adamant about things they have no idea about.

Is water cleared up yet?

Sugar can temporarily increase the nitrite and nitrate, but it will fall sooner then later.

No, but it is starting to clear, and nitrites coming down (albeit slightly, but surely).

I put the sugar in aproximately 38 hours ago. It started getting slightly cloudy last night. It was quite cloudy this morning, and now it is much less cloudy and going down.

I am considering dosing it again, a small dosage, so the bloom does not crash too quickly.
 
I would go to 1/2 teaspoon or maybe less.... Ramp up over the course of weeks, while testing frequently for results. Like vodka, you can increase dosages after time, so slow and steady win the race.....
 
Sounds like it may be interesting to try. I may start trying a little on my tank. I would probably do very little because it doesn't hurt to underdose... I guess thats the right word. I do agree though that water changes are important. But I usually do about 20-30% changes on my tanks. But do whatever works for you because like everyone says, everyone's tank is different.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12760143#post12760143 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by plyle02
I would go to 1/2 teaspoon or maybe less.... Ramp up over the course of weeks, while testing frequently for results. Like vodka, you can increase dosages after time, so slow and steady win the race.....


I actualy got some Vodka and am planning to switch to that tonight, looking into the dosages right now..... This way I can join in the fun my tank is about to experience :lol:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12760444#post12760444 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by CyanoMagnet
I actualy got some Vodka and am planning to switch to that tonight, looking into the dosages right now..... This way I can join in the fun my tank is about to experience :lol:

Be careful not to overdose....:smokin: Your mind might get a bit "CLOUDY"....Wait, I meant your tank.....lol.... Use slowly on the tank as well......:D

Good luck!
 
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