Clown Fish Endangered Species Petition article
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Bluephish13
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I was just thinking about the nemo rerelease, and the poor clown fish(nemo) and hippo(dori) tangs. How many will be sold to 10 gal tanks with a air pump:thumbdown. I have both fish but had nothing to do with the movie. Def amazing fish! I guess i need to start collecting my eggs. Mine been laying eggs every couple weeks for the last year. Took about 5 years for them to start spawning, and haven't stopped since.
DEEP BLUE SIX
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Simple education is definitely needed for those new to the hobby. The LFS should do their best to bring the customer to an understanding of the details and care involved. Of course they don't want to kill a sale. But if people are unsuccessful in keeping them because of inadequate equipment, care and maintenance.. then they'll most likely leave the hobby and stop being a customer anyhow. It's a fine balance of caring for customers explaining their investment to them etc.. Some LFS do a good job. Like any business, there are some bad apples out there. It then spreads out to us all to do whatever we can to educate the public on this hobby. Nothing will ever be perfect though.
Yes, we need to be as responsible as possible with our fisheries and other resources around the world. Personally, I'm not against "some" conservation where truly needed. However, often many of these cases are over exaggerated by the environmentalists too.
I have a hard time believing common Ocellaris Clowns are endangered. Despite wild caught varieties, Many are increasingly captive bred and often more readily hardy in the home reef than some wild caught specimens. Not sure of the exact ratios. But where they can, the industry promotes captive bred fish.. at least the few species that are capable of being so. The rest of the majority of wild caught fish species for the marine hobby are still within acceptable limits for most fisheries. There are some exceptions that should be watched such as the Red Sea. The world is not a perfect place. But I don't think the hobby is hurting it.
I think the hobby can actually help the environment when it's done correctly. Awareness and proper care taking by the industry involved should promote Both the Marine hobby & the natural environment as partners. The hobby should not be an enemy of the environment. Climate change and emissions are enough of an enemy to reefs. One that many refuse to admit. Something which "other" industries of the world in every country are causing an effect upon or at least adding to these problems. But having absolutely nothing to do with the aquarium trade at all. Being responsible is what the world needs to do. Focus on the real problems. Not the aquarium trade. Then you can ensure your safe keeping the environment and still be able to enjoy it in your home or business as a promotion for nature simultaneously.
Yes, we need to be as responsible as possible with our fisheries and other resources around the world. Personally, I'm not against "some" conservation where truly needed. However, often many of these cases are over exaggerated by the environmentalists too.
I have a hard time believing common Ocellaris Clowns are endangered. Despite wild caught varieties, Many are increasingly captive bred and often more readily hardy in the home reef than some wild caught specimens. Not sure of the exact ratios. But where they can, the industry promotes captive bred fish.. at least the few species that are capable of being so. The rest of the majority of wild caught fish species for the marine hobby are still within acceptable limits for most fisheries. There are some exceptions that should be watched such as the Red Sea. The world is not a perfect place. But I don't think the hobby is hurting it.
I think the hobby can actually help the environment when it's done correctly. Awareness and proper care taking by the industry involved should promote Both the Marine hobby & the natural environment as partners. The hobby should not be an enemy of the environment. Climate change and emissions are enough of an enemy to reefs. One that many refuse to admit. Something which "other" industries of the world in every country are causing an effect upon or at least adding to these problems. But having absolutely nothing to do with the aquarium trade at all. Being responsible is what the world needs to do. Focus on the real problems. Not the aquarium trade. Then you can ensure your safe keeping the environment and still be able to enjoy it in your home or business as a promotion for nature simultaneously.
GMaquarium
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I am all for being green, sustainable and conscientious about fish imported, sold and explained to general public. Although clowns are not endangered and I agree about not importing them in masses. For most part because they are being bred in large enough numbers in captivity, there is no need to bring in wild. This article is a joke. The idea that we should now classify fish as endangered because of words climate conditions is stupid. These fish are out there in normal populations, thriving as they have for many many years before. Yes polution and oceans going acidic is a problem. How big of a problem and how to resolve it is not the topic of discussion currently. But with that logic we should now consider all life forms living in or around the ocean endangered. Why does everything now days need to sensationalized and blown out. Why not go by facts and stats and actual science. This is the same story from Hawaii. Where personal views and emotions of some people are turned into something that looks like legit science authority.
DEEP BLUE SIX
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I agree with your statements entirely GM.
These groups are consistantly exaggerating issues when it comes to fisheries and the data (which there is rarely any offered) when it is offered is usually flawed, not proving it's point. Unfortunately, everything today seems to thrive on "sensationalism". It's the stupid society we've come into. Technology for all the advances it has given us, is also being mis used to "dumb down" the general public with the ultra quick speed stories now spread. Everything seems to be taken to a level of "sensationalism" in the way media around the world report and often allow people to convince others of things or at least try. It is a joke. What's worse is the way a segment of society eats up all kinds of bull*** these days and readily accepts it as ok or correct.
If there is an endangered fish out there.. I think it should be protected. But as I said right in line with your point of view, I have a very hard time believing Clownfish are endangered from the collecting for the aquarium trade. It's ridiculous. The wasteful practice of killing sharks purely for the fins for soup is more of a real concern to me, than fish being collected for the aquatic industry.
But again, you know how ridiculous these people are. They fight the wrong issues.
They are extremists. I don't think they are helping the legitimate environmental issues when they do things like this.
These groups are consistantly exaggerating issues when it comes to fisheries and the data (which there is rarely any offered) when it is offered is usually flawed, not proving it's point. Unfortunately, everything today seems to thrive on "sensationalism". It's the stupid society we've come into. Technology for all the advances it has given us, is also being mis used to "dumb down" the general public with the ultra quick speed stories now spread. Everything seems to be taken to a level of "sensationalism" in the way media around the world report and often allow people to convince others of things or at least try. It is a joke. What's worse is the way a segment of society eats up all kinds of bull*** these days and readily accepts it as ok or correct.
If there is an endangered fish out there.. I think it should be protected. But as I said right in line with your point of view, I have a very hard time believing Clownfish are endangered from the collecting for the aquarium trade. It's ridiculous. The wasteful practice of killing sharks purely for the fins for soup is more of a real concern to me, than fish being collected for the aquatic industry.
But again, you know how ridiculous these people are. They fight the wrong issues.
They are extremists. I don't think they are helping the legitimate environmental issues when they do things like this.
Should we (as an industry) be buying captive bred clownfish whenever possible? YES
Should we (as an industry) be pushing for as many captive bred fish as possible? YES
Should we try to minimize our effects on the ocean, fish, and corals? YES
Should clownfish (or any others) be put on the endangered list because they may have a problem in the future? NO.
I would guess that most clownfish that are sold in the United States LFS are captive bred. That probably isn't the case in China, Vietnam, and other countries around there. It probably doesn't make financial sense to set up breeding programs for clownfish there. I do believe they do have breeding programs there though. Clownfish (and a bunch of other fish) are pretty easy to breed small scale. If I can do it, anyone can. I've supplied a bunch to the LFS, and I know there are a couple people on the board who have my fish.
I'll be honest though. I have mixed feelings about buying wild caught fish when there are captive bred alternatives, especially when they are the same (or very similar) price. I've done it for my breeding pairs though. Why would anybody buy wild caught clowns when they can buy captive bred ones? Wild ones tend to carry more parasites, don't acclimate as well, and can be finicky eaters. It doesn't make sense to buy wild caught when captive bred is available, and you don't have a specific need for wild caught.
If I can go off on a tangent...
Part of the reason that people don't "like" captive bred fish is because breeders don't cull their fish enough. Culling for color deformation isn't critical (and sometimes they sell better), but any pinched fins, bulldog faces, messed up gill plates, and deformed spines NEED to be culled to keep captive bred fish "up to par" with wild caught. It hurts every breeder when someone doesn't cull fish that should be. If you breed fish, please, cull mercilessly. It will help you, and all the other breeders.
Should we (as an industry) be pushing for as many captive bred fish as possible? YES
Should we try to minimize our effects on the ocean, fish, and corals? YES
Should clownfish (or any others) be put on the endangered list because they may have a problem in the future? NO.
I would guess that most clownfish that are sold in the United States LFS are captive bred. That probably isn't the case in China, Vietnam, and other countries around there. It probably doesn't make financial sense to set up breeding programs for clownfish there. I do believe they do have breeding programs there though. Clownfish (and a bunch of other fish) are pretty easy to breed small scale. If I can do it, anyone can. I've supplied a bunch to the LFS, and I know there are a couple people on the board who have my fish.
I'll be honest though. I have mixed feelings about buying wild caught fish when there are captive bred alternatives, especially when they are the same (or very similar) price. I've done it for my breeding pairs though. Why would anybody buy wild caught clowns when they can buy captive bred ones? Wild ones tend to carry more parasites, don't acclimate as well, and can be finicky eaters. It doesn't make sense to buy wild caught when captive bred is available, and you don't have a specific need for wild caught.
If I can go off on a tangent...
Part of the reason that people don't "like" captive bred fish is because breeders don't cull their fish enough. Culling for color deformation isn't critical (and sometimes they sell better), but any pinched fins, bulldog faces, messed up gill plates, and deformed spines NEED to be culled to keep captive bred fish "up to par" with wild caught. It hurts every breeder when someone doesn't cull fish that should be. If you breed fish, please, cull mercilessly. It will help you, and all the other breeders.
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