clown spawn

[Fizhstiks]

The two clowns still don't have much color to them yet, still just orangish, but one of them is getting a head stripe

I haven't been having much luck with the tile. The place where the clowns spawn doesn't have much to set the tile on so it will stay in place. The tile either fell off or the clowns pushed it off and now its laying in the sand. I'm going to try to find a larger tile or a large flat rock to put over the spawning area but i don't want to upset them so much that they won't breed anymore.

 

[Kmiec123]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9209260#post9209260 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Fizhstiks
Is phyto the algae you use to feed the rotifers? I don't use live phyto, i'm using a bottle of algae that came with the rotifers when I bought them. I use just enough to tint the water kinda greenish.

Just wondering, I use home grown Nanno and put about l liter per day and continue culturing rots in the 10 gal larval tank. Works for me...plenty of chances to try different things and see what works for you.

As far as the tile, It's suggested to place the tile immediately after a hatch...if you have trouble securing, I drill a few holes in the tile with a tile bit....1/4 in. and secure it to the rock with nylon Zip strips(ties)...once again...work a shot. Hope this helps....Carl

 

[Fizhstiks]

Do you think adding some chaeto to the rearing tank could help? It would increase the ammount of dissolve oxygen and it would help keep down ammonia right? Are there any disadvantages to using chaeto in the larvae tank?

 

[crpeck]

That worked well for me, but I only tried it when the larvae were well past MM. Earlier than that, I'm afraid that they get stuck or hung up in it. They sure have a way of getting stuck in little spots, even corners of the tank where the silicone may have a gap.

I suppose if you separated it off with fine enough mesh that they couldn't get into it, yet the water could still filter through it a bit it might really help as long as it didn't give the rotifers a place to hide from the babies.

If you try it, let us know how it works.

I always liked putting some fake plants or pvc pipe or some kind of thing in the baby tank to give them places to hide and play after MM. By the time they were 3 months old, I'd put live rock and lots of macro algae. Some people are really against this practice. It does make more work to keep the tank clean and also it invites territorial behavior and can cause them to fight amongst themselves.

I remember with one batch of 4, I put a little fake rubber anemone in there for them and had to take it right back out until I bought enough fake plants or things for each of them to have their own. I couldn't believe that babies who didn't even have all their fins would already fight over territory.

Most breeders advocate keeping a plain tank with nothing in it but the babies for exactly that reason.

 

[Fizhstiks]

My clowns are laying eggs today which is weird since their previous batch just hatched saturday and they usually wait a week before laying eggs again. It looks like theyre laying A LOT of eggs but they didn't want to lay them on the tile

One of the first two clowns has his first stripe, but isn't very orange. They're no where near as orange as your fish in the pic and mine are already about 18 days old. Is there any reason why they are developing so slow?

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9168457#post9168457 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crpeck

 

[Fizhstiks]

Heres a pic, you can't see the stripe or his color because of the flash:

Oh and the pair just finished laying their eggs and there must be at least 300 eggs

 

[Fizhstiks]

One of them has a complete first strip and is starting to get his second stripe They still aren't very orange yet, when do they start getting orange?

 

[crpeck]

Congratulations! You've made it through the dangerous part and if you stay on top of your maintenance and care you should be out of the woods. Are you giving them pulverized flake now? They should be almost ready for Cyclopeeze, too. I'll double check the age for that in the book and let you know.

Some babies take all the way up to 21 days or more to get orange, but that is on the long side for Ocellaris. Perculas take much longer and don't get their last stripe for months. When you posted the pics of your parents, I thought the eye of one to look Percula, but the dorsal fins looked Ocellaris and it's so hard to tell the difference that I wouldn't try to call it either way.

But if there is any Percula in your parents, you may see it in the extended time to color up and get stripes in the babies. Just a theory ... not sure. But you're at almost 20 days and they're not orange?

Any Percula breeders out there who can chime in?

 

[Fizhstiks]

I just lost one of the two remaining fry

I don't get what i'm doing wrong...

 

[crpeck]

Oh I'm SO sorry!

How many days is this and what were they eating at this point?

How does the stomach look?

You've kept on top of the ammonia, right?

How does the other one look?

Sorry for all the questions ..... I hope the last baby hangs in there.

 

[crpeck]

Lastly .... you may not be doing anything wrong.

They're very fragile and in nature the odds of survival are 1 in many thousands of larvae.

Most people lose a significant portion of larvae out of every batch along various stages .... it's just harder to take when you're working with a smaller batch.

I remember losing one two months into it. I was moving babies among the tanks and rearranging things and I think he just had a fright response and died from stress. I felt terrible.

When I had the biggest batch, sometimes I'd lose them during water changes. It became almost impossible to clean the bottom of the tank without siphoning a baby or two.

It's just not easy. Sometimes you just lose them even if you do everything right .... or at least as good as you can. This is why most people don't have the time or patience to try raising fry.

You've come this far and put this much into it. Hang in there and one of these batches will work for you.

 

[Fizhstiks]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9284738#post9284738 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crpeck
Oh I'm SO sorry!

How many days is this and what were they eating at this point?

How does the stomach look?

You've kept on top of the ammonia, right?

How does the other one look?

Sorry for all the questions ..... I hope the last baby hangs in there.

The one that i have left is doing well. I added amquel everyday during meta and i started doing small waterchanges about 5-6 days ago. They both had full stomachs when the one died, and they were eating brine, rotifers, and crushed flakes. When should i stop feeding rotifers and brine?

The pair's current nest should be hatching tonight . Hopefully i can get some to make it through the night this time
thanks

 

[crpeck]

Rotifers start becoming optional at 12 - 15 days and should be discontinued by day 25 if they're eating flake.

Around day 16, you can start weaning off of the baby brine. You're already past that point with this baby. The recommended way to eliminate the baby brine is to offer it every other day for a few days and then drop the live brine.

Rotifers and brine aren't nutritious enough to support growth and too many brine are actually bad for him now and can increase the chance of shock.

The flake should be thoroughly pulverized. I used to grind it with a rolling pin or the flat side of a meat tenderizer because I didn't have a mortor and pestle like the book recommended.

Good luck with this next batch of babies! Keep us posted.

Cathy

 

[kirdes]

Do you have any pics of the actual tank that your clown parents are in?

 

[crpeck]

Did you try it again with this last batch of eggs or did you decide to take a break with this batch?

How's the last little lucky fish doing?

Hope everything is okay.

 

[brtbrtlynn04]

i am new to this site..and this is probably the first couple that i have read the whole way threw. and i am just loving it!! LOL...it almost makes me want to start to try to raise little fry..but i have not enough time..but keep up the great work both of you..i am enjoying this so much...i hope you end up keeping the little baby if he makes me! thats so awesome..also can you take a pic of the one where the parents are in? thanks!!!!

brit

 

[GSMguy]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9336347#post9336347 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by brtbrtlynn04
i am new to this site..and this is probably the first couple that i have read the whole way threw. and i am just loving it!! LOL...it almost makes me want to start to try to raise little fry..but i have not enough time..but keep up the great work both of you..i am enjoying this so much...i hope you end up keeping the little baby if he makes me! thats so awesome..also can you take a pic of the one where the parents are in? thanks!!!!

brit

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[tpdpercula]

I have just set-up my fry tank and have read the same thing about less current. I bought one of those air line regualtors and have hooked them up. My eggs are suppose to hatch either tonight 2/26/07 or Tue 02/27/07 I cant wait. They laid on a smaller rock and plan on removing the rock when the eyes turn silver and placing it in the fry tank until they hatch and then remove the rock. I am going to place a square of tile in its place and hope next time they lay on it instead. I will post pics later.

Best of luck to you, keep us posted.

 

[crpeck]

Good Luck, tpdpercula

 

[Fizhstiks]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9331494#post9331494 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by crpeck
Did you try it again with this last batch of eggs or did you decide to take a break with this batch?

How's the last little lucky fish doing?

Hope everything is okay.

Sorry i didnt get a chance to respond...

The last fish died last wednesday, i cant figure out what i did wrong. He was doing fine up until wednesday night, he was eating powder flakes, and his second stripe had started to come in. But on wednesday night, he started twirling in the water, like he had lost balance. I tested the water and ammonia and nitrite didnt seem to be too high and i added amquel earlier that day. I got up in thursday morning and he was dead.

On wednesday, i caught about 200 larvae and they all looked good before i went to bed. Same thing happened as last time, by 5:00pm thursday they were all dead

The pair just laid another batch of eggs yesterday, it looks pretty big. My rotifer colony doesn't seem to be doing too well though, it doesn't seem like they are reproducing anymore or something because the colony is not as dense as it used to be. I hope its not going to crash or something.