Collecting SPS today
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I am aware I won't get the OP to look into it further, that's ok. 
I don't ask for that...just posted because if one person asks for information about something, there must be others wondering. Pretty sure I haven't broken any rules by posting that?
I agree, my opinion is biased on the enjoyment level here....I really only approve of wild collection when it is for the purpose of culture. I think it is great the OP restricts himself to the damaged colonies.
I don't ask for that...just posted because if one person asks for information about something, there must be others wondering. Pretty sure I haven't broken any rules by posting that?I agree, my opinion is biased on the enjoyment level here....I really only approve of wild collection when it is for the purpose of culture. I think it is great the OP restricts himself to the damaged colonies.
trueblackpercula
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Who cares???? What they are trying to say is you cannot take many pieces and resale them. Collecting a few pieces for your tank is not going to out you in jail.
OrionN
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High load of growing SPS will deplete the Ca and alkalinity every quickly. Unless you change 100% of the water very often, chances are that you Ca and Alkalinity is lower by a lot compare to NSW
Fire_supremacy
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Do you have calcium and mag readings of the seawater?
It's funny you quote an article from 7 years ago. I just got the brief from a PADI instructor here on the island. I specifically asked and was told the only coral you can not take at any time was red coral as it was being over fished for the purpose of making jewelry.
Also as I have said in previous post. It is ILLEGAL to take any sea life when on an alternative air source like scuba Gear or an air house.
If you would like I will gladly take them all back and bury them in the sand in the same tide pools I found them in. Oh and if you didn't know about 3 weeks after I do that and they are dead ARM will then come take them again in a giant load so they can put it into one gallon jugs and sell them to you as reactor media.
Thanks. I am thinking it is time to stop posting and just let people ruin it for everyone. Yes the storms here are very damaging. Also you would not believe the amount of damage done by surfers. The waves here break over the reef and it is shallow.
Dapg8gt
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You seem to be the only person who is intent on telling a person on the other side of the world that's it's wrong to save the life of storm battered corals . it's pretty obvious that he's just trying to share his piece of the ocean ( literally). Who cares if you think it's illegal or even if it is, the coral has a way better chance of survival in the tank then buried in the sand or like stated used as calcium reactor media around the world.
Imo you should either Just enjoy the thread or refrain from posting in it. It's pretty obvious that the majority doesn't feel the same way you do about the importance of your fact finding so please don't ruin this thread. I would much rather see it in a tank then in a reactor personally.
OrionN
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I don't thin this is fair. There is a post asking about the legality of this. I think Puffyluv post his finding in good faint. Take is for what it is, information only
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I don't thin this is fair. There is a post asking about the legality of this. I think Puffyluv post his finding in good faint. Take is for what it is, information only
Arkayology
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Do you ever go back and check on the corals that you place to see how they are doing?
Yes
We do. They all have done great so far. I have not had any we placed die. We did have a batch where the putty did stick and we had to fix them.
woodnaquanut
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Yep there are certainly more than one way to interpret Puffyluv's comments.
If the article is correct, you might be risking a lot of your personal finances and freedom based on the assurances of a dive instructor. I don't know how it works in other places in the world but here if you stand in front of a judge and say 'the dive guy said it was fine' and it's not, you'll be in big do-do just after the judge stops laughing.
For your own sake, check out the laws. I'm sure all of us would like to see your tanks thrive. What you are doing is conceptually good but if it's illegal you are at great risk.
I worry about you returning the corals to the sea. As long as there is ABSOLUTELY no other organisms not native, it should be OK. If you get any creatures from other sources, this could be a source of contamination.
Organizations like the Coral Restoration Foundation do not remove and return corals. They are kept in the ocean in similar areas. The risk of transmitting pests or diseases are not worth the rewards.
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This will be my final post. RC is too much for me regarding peoples opinions. BUT EVERYTHING I HAVE IS LOCAL even the NSW is from the same bay as the corals.
Anyways best of luck to everyone. I am tired of trying to share a good thing with people to have the RC POLICE (who have no idea of the laws where I am) trying to tell me what is wrong or right. Oh and if you didn't notice this isn't the first time Puffyluv has commented on this thread and she is the one making a profit off of this hobby. But let me remind EVERYONE of you...... ALL OF YOUR CORALS STARTED IN THE SAME OCEAN!
Yep there are certainly more than one way to interpret Puffyluv's comments.
If the article is correct, you might be risking a lot of your personal finances and freedom based on the assurances of a dive instructor. I don't know how it works in other places in the world but here if you stand in front of a judge and say 'the dive guy said it was fine' and it's not, you'll be in big do-do just after the judge stops laughing.
For your own sake, check out the laws. I'm sure all of us would like to see your tanks thrive. What you are doing is conceptually good but if it's illegal you are at great risk.
I worry about you returning the corals to the sea. As long as there is ABSOLUTELY no other organisms not native, it should be OK. If you get any creatures from other sources, this could be a source of contamination.
Organizations like the Coral Restoration Foundation do not remove and return corals. They are kept in the ocean in similar areas. The risk of transmitting pests or diseases are not worth the rewards.
This will be my final post. RC is too much for me regarding peoples opinions. BUT EVERYTHING I HAVE IS LOCAL even the NSW is from the same bay as the corals.
Anyways best of luck to everyone. I am tired of trying to share a good thing with people to have the RC POLICE (who have no idea of the laws where I am) trying to tell me what is wrong or right. Oh and if you didn't notice this isn't the first time Puffyluv has commented on this thread and she is the one making a profit off of this hobby. But let me remind EVERYONE of you...... ALL OF YOUR CORALS STARTED IN THE SAME OCEAN!
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Dapg8gt
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It may have came off to harsh and apologies for that to puffyluv .
Fwiw it isn't the first post arguing about local collecting and challenging post for post. I'm not for someone collecting corals off an active reef illegally, but taking the op's word for it about them being washed up in the sand bed was good enough for me. I was genuinely interested on watching the tank adapt and mature.
Stating that your only for removing corals from a reef for culturing (for profit) and own a culturing company I guess rubbed me the wrong way and it was a personal feeling that played a part in my post and probably should have avoided it.
No matter though as the thread is now officially dead but the post "quoted" in the final from the op wasn't really a police thread at all imo lol it was more of a friendly heads up.
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woodnaquanut
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Jason, I'm sorry you are leaving this discussion. I'm not now, nor have I ever been part of the RC police.
There are real police in the real world. They enforce laws. I don't know what the laws are in your part of the world. I'm just concerned you don't really know them either. A dive instructor is not the law either. Heck, you might have heard the DI wrong. It happens.
You state everything in your tank is local. How about those fish? Can you guarantee they have never been mixed with some alien fish?
You are going to do what you want no matter what we recommend. You seem to come from a good place, wanting to help the reef. All I'm saying is you might want to consider the big picture before 'rehoming' those corals. Bringing corals back to the ocean is literally a drop in the ocean but has risks that far outweigh the gain.
Good intentions is only part of the equation.
I'm not sure I understand the 'started in the same ocean' and what it has to do with this discussion. Last time I checked, there is more than one ocean. They have different life forms. It's bad to mix them. Lionfish in Caribbean is a great example. Even if all the corals started in one place, it's been millions of years since that happened and they have evolved into different creatures that have their own ecosystems. When we mix them up we muck it up.
I shouldn't have said that about what I approve of and don't...was responding to "enjoy the thread". The legalities of it and the moral issue is another...shouldn't have brought that into it, except to compliment the way the OP is doing it, by taking damaged pieces. Agreed, placing the corals back in their habitat after they have been exposed to other animals from other parts of the world...very bad idea. This may get you in more trouble than collecting them?
Dapg8gt, sending a pm about the profit issue...maybe can explain better, but don't want to leave myself open to attack here...
As long as others who might be wondering if it is okay to collect corals from any part of the world for their home tanks will now look into the legal status of this venture more fully than has been done here - mission accomplished. I can't tell you how many time my customers have proudly exclaimed to me they collected this or that off of our coast - the worst legal-wise is rock - and I have to tell them that was actually not legal. 75% don't care since they didn't get caught. I guess I was afraid threads like this sort of made that worse....sorry to have caused such a fuss!
Dapg8gt, sending a pm about the profit issue...maybe can explain better, but don't want to leave myself open to attack here...
As long as others who might be wondering if it is okay to collect corals from any part of the world for their home tanks will now look into the legal status of this venture more fully than has been done here - mission accomplished. I can't tell you how many time my customers have proudly exclaimed to me they collected this or that off of our coast - the worst legal-wise is rock - and I have to tell them that was actually not legal. 75% don't care since they didn't get caught. I guess I was afraid threads like this sort of made that worse....sorry to have caused such a fuss!
Fire_supremacy
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Puffyluv, I don't know you personally but why don't you stop being such a crud and let the man do what he knows he's doing. He's obviously doing something good for the reef so unless you get up your chair and start doing something for the environment, shut up.
I don't live in Japan, so I don't go about telling him what he should or should not do at his residing location - and so should you. Owning an aquaculture facility for profit doesn't automatically make you a saint. Yes you may have attributed indirectly to the conservation BUT NOT its restoration.
Leave the man alone to post in his own thread. So far all the posts you made here have done nothing beneficial in his efforts to restore the reef - so either you do something here else please shut the hell up.
It makes me mad that people are arguing over how to save the reefs - in retrospect, the same as arguing over how to save a drowning child - instead of actually doing it. Unbelievable.
I don't live in Japan, so I don't go about telling him what he should or should not do at his residing location - and so should you. Owning an aquaculture facility for profit doesn't automatically make you a saint. Yes you may have attributed indirectly to the conservation BUT NOT its restoration.
Leave the man alone to post in his own thread. So far all the posts you made here have done nothing beneficial in his efforts to restore the reef - so either you do something here else please shut the hell up.
It makes me mad that people are arguing over how to save the reefs - in retrospect, the same as arguing over how to save a drowning child - instead of actually doing it. Unbelievable.
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