Complete devastation (Please Help)

[mickeyray]

Ok so I just had a post upset over my friends dejardini who was sick well, it gets worse. His whole tank is going down. Naso and a powder brown down, Coral beauty, 6 disbar anthias down... this sucks. The weird part.. his inverts and star polyps are fine. like nothings wrong.. his levels have obviously spiked a tiny bit now with all the death but they were fine before. It's a 150g. The fish just deteriorate as if in acid he said.. like scales fins just gone. Anyone have any ideas. He has a sump with live rock, filter pads, carbon, cemipure elite, a seaclone (crap skimmer) and crushed coral. the lights are PCs and I think he has a fluval 405 on there just for kicks. PLEASE anyone have any ideas? Could it be his tap water. does it sound like he's under conditioning? What would do this... ?????? he doesn't have copper in the water just fyi.

 

[RBU1]

Can anything be getting in the water? Chemicals??? Is he running carbon? Has he done a large water change?

 

[wooden_reefer]

Ok so I just had a post upset over my friends dejardini who was sick well, it gets worse. His whole tank is going down. Naso and a powder brown down, Coral beauty, 6 disbar anthias down... this sucks. The weird part.. his inverts and star polyps are fine. like nothings wrong.. his levels have obviously spiked a tiny bit now with all the death but they were fine before. It's a 150g. The fish just deteriorate as if in acid he said.. like scales fins just gone. Anyone have any ideas. He has a sump with live rock, filter pads, carbon, cemipure elite, a seaclone (crap skimmer) and crushed coral. the lights are PCs and I think he has a fluval 405 on there just for kicks. PLEASE anyone have any ideas? Could it be his tap water. does it sound like he's under conditioning? What would do this... ?????? he doesn't have copper in the water just fyi.

Can be a bacterial infection, fins rot quickly. Is there a correctly sized and set up UV running?

Not descriptive enough.

It can be water chemical quality but not necessarily.

A tank is confined space for the multiplication of pathogens; water quality, nutrition, immunity is only necessary, often not enough. Means to drastically and deliberately reduce the waterborne concentration of pathogen is often needed.

 

[mickeyray]

No Uv on tank yet. He does run carbon. Could it be stray electrical current? I doubt it was bacterial..? but maybe. He says no chems go near the tank. and no large water change.

 

[wooden_reefer]

No Uv on tank yet. He does run carbon. Could it be stray electrical current? I doubt it was bacterial..? but maybe. He says no chems go near the tank. and no large water change.

If it is fin root due to bacterial infection, there would likely be clear sign.

Reddish appearance on the base of infected area is also strong indication.

Sometimes patches of discoloration can be chemical pollution or bacterial infection.

I believe there is often a need to deliberately and drastically reduce the waterborne pathogen concentration in a tank. Often people over-emphasize chemical water quality, nutrition etc and over look the confinement factor of a tank, IMO.

 

[mickeyray]

He also said they lost color fast.. (not fin rot btw) could he need to use ro?

 

[JHemdal]

I can't think of any exception to the rule where fish are dying in droves, and all the invertebrates are fine, that it doesn't end up being a parasitic infection. Anything else with water quality, etc., would whack the inverts first.

My guess, (without seeing the fish) would be Amyloodinium or possibly uncontrolled Cryptocaryon where the white spot stage was missed at first.


Jay

 

[mickeyray]

if he used some of his sand from long island sound could that be his problem cuz I've said that was a bad idea from day one

 

[mickeyray]

btw long island sound is inbetween Connecticut and long island

 

[mickeyray]

anyone?