Confessions of an IDIOT

Thank you soooo much for your time and advice. I'll give it a shot and see how it goes :) I will certainly share the outcome.

I really am hopeful, but I know something has to change soon. :(
 
According to a book by Ron Shimek, (marine biologist), gigantea will on occasion experience water temps down to 73 F within their natural range. I believe he came to this conclusion by superimposing record water temps with the known range of the various species of host anemones, including gigantea. Anyway, 67F isn't too much lower, so hopefully a brief stint at that suppressed temp won't be a fatal blow to your nice gig.
 
It looks to be doing pretty well after all that, If you're really worried I could always stop by and pick that up from you. I'm still hoping Forester is going to get another one in some day.
 
According to a book by Ron Shimek, (marine biologist), gigantea will on occasion experience water temps down to 73 F within their natural range. I believe he came to this conclusion by superimposing record water temps with the known range of the various species of host anemones, including gigantea. Anyway, 67F isn't too much lower, so hopefully a brief stint at that suppressed temp won't be a fatal blow to your nice gig.

Gary, I soooo hope that will be the case. My biggest concern is that the nem was just settling in. I've never been of the school of thought that an animal "still alive and looking better" is established after a month. Soooooo :( I know he's not as strong as he would lbe in his home tide pools.... But :) I hope you are right!!!!

Lloyd, was this with a gig in your tank?? How did he react, and how long was the 65 maintained? I left Friday evening, and came home Sunday night, and the tank was at 65. The house was in the low 50's. So I know it was gradual, but prolonged :(

BL1 :) Hey man!!!!! Thanks for the offer, but honestly these pics are the before pics. I have Friday, Saturday, and last nights pics on a memory card, but the dang reader here at the office isn't working!!!! GRRRRRRR Just to give credit, where credit is due though, I got the nem from Joe at CRG, not from Josh. I don't know if he does the larger carpets. And was THRILLED with it, still am to tell you the truth. I just need to save him now! Thank you for the offer, but I think I have as good of a chance as anyone at this point.

Conrad! Hey, thank you so much for your advice and encouragement on Friday. Here's where we sit.

Friday I got home and put the vortech in the tank on a lowish setting, pointed with the majority of the flow passing about 3 inches in front of his cave.. He immediately retracted. He'd also expanded considerably during the day (he really looks best when the lights have been on....)

Sooooooooo I did it. I tore the whole right side of my tank apart. Fortunately, my CUC has been doing a good job, and although I stirred things up, there was nothing all that bad at all. Long story short, the new aquascape allowed me to establish a "rock island" for him. He was still hunkered down in the cave, and I didn't move that rock, it's a boulder and the foundation for the middle, and left side of the tank. So, I used a couple ice cubes in a baggie and convinced him to let go. My arm is still numb, it took probably 30 minutes to do it, as I was trying to be completely gentle.

I set him in the corner while I was rearranging the rockwork to it's final- ish spot.

His mouth looked ..... not happy. Even more scary, his color is not good in the center. I took pics I wish I could post them. I think I will go find a memory card reader at lunch. I also hooked up my chiller, and have maintained the tank at 80-81 this weekend. I also ran the lights on a 10 hour schedule rather than 8.

Once I put him close to his "island" he footed within probably seconds. I was AMAZED.

I'll let the pics speak for themselves this afternoon. My opinion, I'm glad I tore the rock work apart. I'm glad that I removed him from the cave. I think he was just going to deteriorate. What I could see while he was in the cave wasn't as alarming as what I saw afterward. His body is still firm, but the mouth really really really is scaring me. In fact, I'm hesitant to post the pics, because of what I'm sure I will hear. But I am a glass half full kind of girl.
 
Ok guys, time for a pictoral addition.

These were taken on the 4th. I was soooo happy :) Enjoy.

Decent pic of the mouth, in my mind, this looks great.
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This one is a good representation of color.
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Settled in in a great spot:
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This next group of pictures shows me tearing apart the right side of my tank, and a little of the nems progression. I'm scared, because, he changes very quickly. Sometimes within minutes, there will be a drastic difference.

You can somewhat see the cave ledge. If you compare to the above pictures, you can see the size reference. I decided to take apart the rock, because he was outgrowing the cave, but not moving on his own. It is shameful to share these pictures. This was on the 14th, Friday, when I decided to get him out of the cave.

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Immediately after removing him from the cave, here is what he looked like. These were within minutes of one another...

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On the rock island.
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This one is soooooooooooooo ugly. This lasted a few minutes, but has really left a lasting impression. :(
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And, the most recent, on Saturday.
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I'll take some more when I get home.

What do you guys think? Any chance?
 
Sorry for all the actinic shots.... I worked on this from Friday at 8 pm, til well after 1 or 2. My main lights had gone out for the night...
 
Well he doesn't look the best in the last few pics. The biggest things that does give me hopes in all the pics is that his mouth is not gaping at all and he just seems mad. Also if he attached, thats great to hear as he must not be in too bad of shape to grab on within minutes. Glad you decided to get him out of the cave if he was getting cramped and secondly he was out of the light. So all in all, guess we wait to see how good he looks within the next couple of days. You said these were all taken on friday. So how does he look today? I think he was just mad as Thats how they shrink up when ticked off which they usually come out of pretty quickly

btw, heres a quick video I took of mine tonight if you wanted to see it. It shows the flow and all
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AwRsE_bErX0
 
Well, last night after work, he looked like crap. One of those moments, where you are just like, I think this is the end of the line. Still, tank mates are acting and looking normal, with the exception of the corals I managed to destroy last weekend anyway.

I have prepared my nano to be a hospital tank, by moving all the corals back to the 180 that my copperband has a taste for. Even though I'm prepared to do so, I think moving him to another tank would be disaster. I mentioned on my local forum today, I wonder if these guys feel pain? If this were a cat or a dog, I'd have put him out of his misery by now.

This morning (no lights, ambient light room), he was fluffy and waving in the current.

Maybe I should just use the VHO's today and skip the halides? I'm sure a day or two of that would be fine with everyone else in the tank.....??
 
I think that it would be fine for 2 days or so as long as you feed him. I feed mine daily along with the fish. I also have a fish that has been known to have tastes for stuff, but hes been a very good boy. Only way your going to feed him though is if hes sticky? That also would be a good sign. Interesting that he is fluffy with the lights off. Did you acclimate him with window screen at all? You may want to give a few layers as the anemone may need that since its bleached pretty good.

Also thanks for the comment on mine, appreciate it as its my pride and joy in the tank next to the fish
 
You should be very proud of it, it is stunning and looks very healthy!!!

He was still sticky last night, and he took a bit of mysis. I did set the halides to skip the light cycle today, so I'm going to just try the vho's tonight and observe.

I didn't acclimate him at all with window screen... It seems the general consensus is that gigs love light, and to provide it. I could do that though if it would be beneficial. Again, I say I wish there were a handbook :)
 
Yeah its kind of a play it by ear in ur stage. Try the screenung as u said he runs or shriveled un the light which speaks to me as being too much for him for now atleast
 
Well, he looked fluffier and a small bit less alarming today, but certainly still not good. I'll take some update pictures and post them up tomorrow. He's still changing from one condition to another very quickly.

I ran the halides for two hours at the end of the night, but left VHO's only for the majority of the day. I did check, and he is still sticky- sort of. No where near as sticky as he was initially though. He grabbed a couple mysis out of the water column.

Thank you again for helping me with this, you have been wonderful moral support!
 
Well glad to hear he ate some stuff than. Did you throw some screening over your halides to dim them a bit for him? Did he stay inflated during the halide period? Def. would like to see some photos and glad to hear he is still pushing to strive
 
Thank you NhocCuteGirlz... I can use all the encouragement I can get at this point.

Hey Conrad... Well, last night, he was no longer attached to the rock, but still looking slightly better than Tuesday if you can believe that. I put the peice of egg crate in there to keep him from floating off if he didn't reattach. I picked him up and he was SUPER STICKY. I had to very carefully set him down and slowly remove him from my hand. I did notice he had small pieces of rubble stuck to his foot... I left it alone, and just set him in the little area you see in the pictures. Yes, I have screened the halide above him, but I have 4 400w 20k bulbs on the tank. I also maintained the short halide photoperiod, and running only vhos. Here are some pictures from last night. All 4 were under actinic only, and one is with the flash. The halides were off for the evening.

At this point, I would recommend all children leave the room :(

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aww well that sucks that he decided not to stick to the rock. Did he readily eat his food atleast? I would give him a bunch of food every day if he is eager to eat it. It seems gigs love it and it will significantly help with the zoo count for recovery. Has he been more inflated than those pictures? Seems like his tentacles are pretty short. Glad to hear you put some screening up and the egg crate to keep him from running loose
 
He did readily eat the mysis. Last night I took some raw shrimp out of the freezer and blenderized it (gotta love those itty bitty choppers) along with some scallop. He ate about a quarter of a tbsp of that last night.

Another observation, the cleaner shrimp didn't follow him from the old spot to the new spot. Not sure if that is significant or not
 
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