Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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Nineball,
Mr. Wilson is a master (especially from my computer)
But, have you thought of using the new company "avast marine"
They make a "swabbie" which is a wipper blade that cleans the inner part of the collection cup. this is nice because it will scrape the scum, and not rely on water to try and clean it. (i say try, because sometimes its hard to spray water at sludge to get it too move.)
The only situation that i see is that your cup is WAY larger then the normal hobbiest cup. and the only situation is that the inner part of the cup is curved at the bottom. this will require a curved wipper blade. (easily made with a little heat)
This might be a good option because it allows you to keep things steady and not kill the head of foam. also, you wont have a leaky sprinkler valve to worry about. One thing i would keep would be a inner cup wash down that will help dilute and rinse down the goo that falls into the cup.

these are just options for you to consider and to discuss with Mr Wilson.
They do offer a different motor for European/220v options. (im not sure what canadian plugs use.)

Also, avast is a sponsor so it would be easy to contact and discuss.
Another thing is Avast has build some Commercial items for themselves so they might even have access to a RK2 cup so they can make the perfect wipper/motor configuration.

Maybe Mr. Wilson can chime in and give his opinion.

I was talking to someone at Avast back when we were considering a Hammerhead needle wheel for the skimmer. I have never used a wiping device, so my criticism is somewhat unfounded, but you know me by now... I think the wiper itself will become covered in muck and become just one more thing to clean.

We have a manual pressure sprayer that came with the skimmer. I have attempted to automate it with a Hayward actuator valve, but my relay wiring skills are weak and the project has dragged on for some time now. Once the valve comes on line, we should be good. The pressure sprayer is located way up in th elid and it still gets caked in skimmate muck. The outer washdown is automated by a simple garden irrigation valve so the outside is nice and clean. We run it 4 times a day for one minute.

My concern with any kind of automated wiper or sprayer device is, where does the skimmate go? In my opinion, most of it falls back into the water column. Some of it is skimmed out, but you would need really aggressive wet skimming to lift those heavy particles. A sprayer removes a thin layer, while the wiper removes whatever is there so it should be run frequently.

There are two issues at hand here; one is to remove the "stuff" that is causing the skimmer to slow down its collection process. This can be hydrophilic agents trapped at the top of the skimmer during feeding, or simply the process of carbon binding to skimmate attached to the riser tube of the skimmer, which brings us to issue number two. The concentrated skimmate in the neck is far more important to export than the tea coloured liquid we dump out of the cup every few days. Manually removing it is the most efficient method because you will remove at least 90% of it without importing it back into the water column. The shortcoming of this process, is objective number one is adversely affected during the time between cleaning the neck.

I'm not sure where the happy medium lies, it really depends on how often a particular skimmer model "goes on strike" and halts skimming. Most skimmers shut down while you feed the tank. This is a nice built-in method of assuring that the food doesn't go right down the drain. This is beneficial as long as the skimmer comes back on line within an hour or so. If your skimmer falls into limbo for long periods of time, then an automated washdown of some sort is the way to go.

The best automated washdown system is simple with just one timer that controls the outer cup washdown with freshwater, the inner neck washdown via saltwater sprayer (or freshwater ATO) or wiper device (the guys at Avast are great to deal with), and at the same time create wet skimmate to expel all the new water and nasty stuff out of the skimmer. You could use a DC pump control or AC pump VFD, or you could manipulate the air intake with an air pump on a timer, or a secondary feed pump. Alternatively, you could use an actuated valve to restrict the water exiting the skimmer, but we want to avoid any devices that will cause a disaster if it should fail.

Our cup washdown is comprised of three pressure sprayers and a garden irrigation timer/solenoid. You can build a system like this for under $100 at your local hardware store. Ours uses municipal water right out of the tap, but you could use a 100PSI pressure tank and RO/DI water like the system we use for the mangrove system.

Periodic wet skimming can be balanced with premixed saltwater top-off for gradual water changes. You can get fancy and use a controller with salinity probes and use programmable logic to control the process (actuator valves/solenoids/pumps on timers). Many people run their ATO right into the sump with no mechanical float valve, which I like to use as a last ditch fail-safe. Why not put your ATO influent on a pressure nozzle and spray down the inner neck of the skimmer every time you top up evaporation? RO/DI water will break down skimmate muck better than saltwater, but efficacy may be negligible for such short periods.
 
Mr. Wilson, perhaps we should get an electrician to remedy the Hayward actuator then assess performance for any further mods/changes. My rather crude instincts tell me that we could be in good shape if the internal wash down was functioning every 4 hours. :deadhorse1:

Peter
 
Mr. Wilson, perhaps we should get an electrician to remedy the Hayward actuator then assess performance for any further mods/changes. My rather crude instincts tell me that we could be in good shape if the internal wash down was functioning every 4 hours. :deadhorse1:

Peter

You mean electrical engineer, and yes I have been consulting with one on the matter but I just haven't had time to spend on it.
 
"If it wasn't for the passengers this would be a good business".....Air Canada

"If it wasn't for the passengers this would be a good business".....Air Canada

I have received a number of back channel requests for an update on Mr. Wilson's foray with the four Air Canada baggage handlers huddled around the old 1930's style wooden desk and our 'in transit' order of fish. The aircraft landed at 3:50 pm and Mr. Wilson finally left the Group W bench at around 9:30pm. I'm sure for Air Canada it was a land speed record but for my taste it was just one more example why this country needs more competition in the airline industry not less.

The fish on the other hand were great. They were by far the best packed lot I have seen over the last year. Many of the fish were triple bagged and the temp, salinity and ph were all good. All of the fish arrived looking very healthy. We lost one wrasse (probably stress) but otherwise this was the best experience an importer could ask for.

I don't remember the name of the company so I will ask Mr. Wilson to identify them by name. They deserve credit for best shipping practice.
Air Canada?????? not so much!!!

I will be updating the thread with photos of the additional fish. We have some surprises and interesting challenges. All of the livestock were given a properly prepared medicated bath on arrival and will remain in the wilson (mars) bars for about 5 weeks free of disease before migrating into the display tank. We added 100 peppermint shrimp after a bath to the display tank and they have disappeared like the last batch. However, it would appear that the aptasia population my well be under threat......the jury is still out on this one. I will update shortly when we can verify the facts.

Our serial killer crab that most of you may remember we were trying to capture has all but disappeared. There is no body however so we are skeptical about the true outcome for the time being. More on this later I am sure.

Peter
 
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I don't remember the name of the company so I will ask Mr. Wilson to identify them by name. They deserve credit for best shipping practice.
Air Canada?????? not so much!!!

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Glad the fish arrived well. I'm fortunate enough to be able to be part of the receiving end of many shipments and tipple bagged, good air, taped corners and even black-bag bottoms (preventing the "why i'm stuck beside this guy" syndrome - for agressive fish :lolspin: ) is a good sign of a top-supplier.

However, your comment above made me recall a flight I was on last month from Ottawa to Toronto, Porter Airlines of course, anyhow I bump into The Right Honorable Jean Chrétien, who was also flying Porter. Great guy, but it really made me laugh he was not flying Trans Canada, whops I mean Air Canada. ;)

Maybe once you've cracked the best practices for this hobby, you can venture fourth to the aviation business... they could use a few. :hmm5:
 
Glad the fish arrived well. I'm fortunate enough to be able to be part of the receiving end of many shipments and tipple bagged, good air, taped corners and even black-bag bottoms (preventing the "why i'm stuck beside this guy" syndrome - for agressive fish :lolspin: ) is a good sign of a top-supplier.

However, your comment above made me recall a flight I was on last month from Ottawa to Toronto, Porter Airlines of course, anyhow I bump into The Right Honorable Jean Chrétien, who was also flying Porter. Great guy, but it really made me laugh he was not flying Trans Canada, whops I mean Air Canada. ;)

Maybe once you've cracked the best practices for this hobby, you can venture fourth to the aviation business... they could use a few. :hmm5:



When the business culture permits the organizational immune response system to treat the customer as the enemy you get a corporate rot for which there is no antibiotic. The only way these corporations survive in todays world is with some active form of government or regulatory protection. State run airlines are the worst example second only to formerly state run airlines.

Peter
 
So it's true the world over. As soon as any government steps in to "help" a business the customer becomes unimportant and a bother and that business becomes less efficient not more. I take it nobody sings "Oh Canada - AIR"
Glad to hear the new additions arrived safely if lately.
 
Don't knock Gov waste completely... It's a catch 22 for sure. Think of the unemployment rate if the government ran as a private enterprise. That's not tounge-in-cheek...
 
actually what popped into mind was a Monte Python type skit with Mr. Wison played by John Cleese and the rest of the group as the baggage handlers.:wildone:
 
I signed up just to read about this tank build, and have been over whelmed with the amount of information in this thread. I incorporated many ideas and thoughts I read here into my own modest tank build.

Thank you for this thread Peter. This thread has clearly taken up a lot of your time and I appreciate it.

I will continue to follow along in the back ground. I am particularly interested in the phytoplankton culture as this is what we do on the west coast to feed a variety of our aquacultured animals. I hope that idea continues to develop.
 
Mr Wilson, have you looked at the Deltec self cleaning heads for skimmers?...I wonder if there are any lessons to be learned by examining one of theirs?
Or is there a possibility or purchasing one of theirs and engineering your skimmer cup to suit, maybe having a cup made that fits both the skimmer and the Deltec head?...just thinking outside the cup so to speak.
 
Mr Wilson, have you looked at the Deltec self cleaning heads for skimmers?...I wonder if there are any lessons to be learned by examining one of theirs?
Or is there a possibility or purchasing one of theirs and engineering your skimmer cup to suit, maybe having a cup made that fits both the skimmer and the Deltec head?...just thinking outside the cup so to speak.

Sorry for the confusion, The RK2 is a self cleaning system. The actuator is a second apparatus for automating the inner cup cleaning cycle. The outer cup already has a cleaning apparatus and it works extremely well. The system will work if Mr. Wilson can figure out the wiring aaaand make it a high enough priority to finally eliminate the requirement for human intervention.

Peter
 
I signed up just to read about this tank build, and have been over whelmed with the amount of information in this thread. I incorporated many ideas and thoughts I read here into my own modest tank build.

Thank you for this thread Peter. This thread has clearly taken up a lot of your time and I appreciate it.

I will continue to follow along in the back ground. I am particularly interested in the phytoplankton culture as this is what we do on the west coast to feed a variety of our aquacultured animals. I hope that idea continues to develop.

Jake, Thanks for joining our community and I can promise you that we will be spending a significant portion of our focus in the near future on the whole topic of food, nutrition and nutrient creation. We are coming to a critical point in our search for a best practice on lighting systems which is taking a considerable amount of focus and bandwidth but hopefully soon after we will get back into the groove.

Again thanks for jumping in ..............

Peter
 
Your tank and this thread are amazing. I am stunned by how quickly this tank has gone from concept to world-class. I haven't felt worthy of posting previously in the "large tank" forum, being a nano guy myself, but the exceptional work and documentation of the process has kept me reading and amazed for hours so I felt it was warranted regardless. Can't wait to see more progress in the future.

For me, this tank is definitely up there with Chinchai's latest and Steve Weast's long lost tanks as the best in my book.
 
Your tank and this thread are amazing. I am stunned by how quickly this tank has gone from concept to world-class. I haven't felt worthy of posting previously in the "large tank" forum, being a nano guy myself, but the exceptional work and documentation of the process has kept me reading and amazed for hours so I felt it was warranted regardless. Can't wait to see more progress in the future.

For me, this tank is definitely up there with Chinchai's latest and Steve Weast's long lost tanks as the best in my book.

First up.....thank you very much for your positive remarks. This effort continues to be led by a strong cross discipline team and a continuing wave of meaningful input from members of this thread. Steve Weast's "canyon" had a definite influence on this tank as did Chingchai. I too can't believe we have come so far in a relatively short period of time. There is a lot more progress to come so please feel free to comment. This part of the forum may be directed to the larger tank format but nano imagineers have valuable input to add so please don't hesitate to jump in. There is no room for tank prejudice in this thread!!!!!:love2:


Peter
 
Mr Wilson, have you looked at the Deltec self cleaning heads for skimmers?...I wonder if there are any lessons to be learned by examining one of theirs?
Or is there a possibility or purchasing one of theirs and engineering your skimmer cup to suit, maybe having a cup made that fits both the skimmer and the Deltec head?...just thinking outside the cup so to speak.

I was talking to the Deltec rep at MACNA and he said "just turn the blade 3 or four times a day manually". He is exactly right, that will work but who has time for that? As I said before, I haven't used a wiper but my concern would be having to wash it regularly.

Initially I was against the idea of a wiper back when they entered the hobby 5-6 years ago. I thought they would return collected carbon to the water column, which they probably do, but the benefit I missed was getting the skimmer out of "stand by" mode. Skimmers vary in sensitivity with some shutting down more often or for greater periods of time than others. It seems that skimmers with smaller, more stable bubbles are less affected than larger bubble technology. This is an argument for slow and steady production of smaller bubbles vs. forcing more air than the pump can handle and compromising bubble stability.

We have a Deltec SC 2060 skimmer on the MARS invert system. The inner wash-down we have on the RK2 is better than a wiper because it doesn't attract skimmate, prematurely pop bubbles, or require cleaning.

My friend sent the amended relay wiring diagram so we will see how it works out soon.
 
First up.....thank you very much for your positive remarks. This effort continues to be led by a strong cross discipline team and a continuing wave of meaningful input from members of this thread. Steve Weast's "canyon" had a definite influence on this tank as did Chingchai. I too can't believe we have come so far in a relatively short period of time. There is a lot more progress to come so please feel free to comment. This part of the forum may be directed to the larger tank format but nano imagineers have valuable input to add so please don't hesitate to jump in. There is no room for tank prejudice in this thread!!!!!:love2:


Peter

Peter. You are exactly right.
Size doesn't matter as long as we have the same serious passion and obsession.
 
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