Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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1000 watts @ 10 hrs per day will cost you $35 a month. Any utility economy is a good thing, but you have to put it into perspective.

Ya exactly. Then you add all pumps etc, $50 a month on hydro is not goingto bankrupt me but its rediculous just for my aquarium. My air conditioner won't even cost me that much and thats to keep my entire family cool.

I think having LED would cost me something like $1 a month. I would rather have a longer lasting bulb, with higher par, no heat, still has shimmer and costs me almost nothing to run. Compared to changing bulbs every year, needing chillers for heat, and paying crazy amounts on hydro
 
my 2 cents is that to accompany cloud mountain style i would look for canyon, lagoon, and one more that is absolutely, positively not vegetable stand. that would stick out like a sore thumb with the other styles in my opinion. just to suggest yet another piece of equiptment, other than the awesomely effective ecoaqualizer, i would recommend getting or having access to a decent par meter. it will take alot of guesswork out of how much light is at different spots in the tank. that will make it easier to move corals around if you think they need more or less light. it can also be used to tell when you need to replace bulbs and how much to dim them by when you do so. keep up the good work. steve

Thank you Steve. You've actually touched on one of those things that I want to find out more about but it always seems to get pushed out of focus with the other priorities. Is there an industry standard preferred PAR meter and if so where do you get it. I think lighting is going to be very important with a tank this size that is focused on more on corals than fish. Before I get dumped on I will have some fantastic fish folks but not before the coral environment is as good as or better than Chingchai's tank. I will have fish to meet the high standards of the coral but only when its time.

So PAR meter, what, where and how much???

Peter
 
Here are a few general aquascaping tips...

- try to make it asymmetrical. Symmetry makes it look fake.
- use the small (orange size) pieces on the bottom to make a smaller footprint in the sand and create caves.
- hide plumbing etc. first, then continue with the rest of the tank.
- make sure you orient each rock with the "good side" up, while maintaining the natural strata (the position the rock was formed in) of the rock.
- don't place rocks precariously, for function (balance & stability) and aesthetic reasons.
- every rock has a centre of gravity you need to ascertain and respect.
- add substrate when the rock work is half done so the rock sits on the glass and not the sand. Otherwise fish and inverts will undermine, and collapse the structure.
- make an effort to have a low foreground, medium height mid-ground, and taller background, but don't make it too contrived or it will look fake.
- add more depth by using flat rocks on the back and end walls and through smaller islands or steps in the foreground. You can link these to the mid-ground with bridges, but don't make it too cute... and no Chinese fisherman statues :)
- remember to leave room for coral to grow at the top of the tank (don't go too high).
- try not to make a straight line of uniform height, break it up with peaks and valleys.
- leave some caves for non-photosynthetic corals and cave dwelling fish.
- create stable shelves for corals. You can use a pedestal to hold it up.
- drill the rock for coral pegs or magnets to hold corals in place.
- keep in mind that you want as much area as possible exposed to light. Too many overhangs or steep drop-offs will cause excess shadowing.
- use key stones to hold the reef structure together. These can double as bridges. Longer, flat bridge-stones will tie the mid-ground and background together for more stability.
- Test the stability of the reef as you go. Gently push down on it from above so the rocks lock together naturally.
- when it's done, go around the base and middle and remove rocks that aren't structural. This will open up the reef and create caves without losing structural integrity.
- try to picture what kind of corals you want in each location and design around that. Create a gentle sweeping base for mushrooms or colonial polyps on the bottom, and holes in the middle regions to hold euphylia branches for an overhang effect. Leave large areas for leather corals to fill. SPS corals look best if they are perched with little rock surrounding it.
- avoid the straight brick wall style at all costs.
- use the biggest rocks before you get stuck with them at the end, when they no longer fit. You can always break them into smaller pieces, but it's a shame when they traveled so far to get to your tank. You have all the puzzle pieces to complete the landscape, you just don't have the box with the picture of the finished product on it :)
- diversity in rock shape and size is key. Branches and flat pieces look great, but not if you have too many of them.
- most cable ties only last a few years under water, but they can help hold it together as you build and later as corals grow and bond it together. The clear/white cable ties last longer than the black ones.
- if you use powerheads, build caves to hide them and make sure you are able to remove them every couple of months to service.
- make sure that your rock-work doesn't impede with flow from returns or powerheads.
- leave access points for closed loop intakes, so you can use a tooth brush to clean them periodically.
- incorporate large enough coral perches and nooks to avoid stinging from neighbouring corals.
- use large shells or rock rubble at the base so sand sifting fish & inverts can build permanent, stable tunnels. This will stop them from constantly digging.
- leave room between the rock-work and glass for cleaning pads and magnets.
- use the ugly rocks at the back for stability, but don't pack it tight, as you need room for fish and water flow.
- try to leave a channel across the back at the bottom for a closed loop return or powerhead, to eliminate dead spots.
- test fit pieces out of the tank before you put them in.
- large island look good, but even better if one of them is somehow linked to another by rock. This helps with eye flow and continuity.
- don't be afraid of breaking pieces to fit. A small hammer is al you need.
- use only as much rock as you need. Don't feel obligated to add more rock just because you have it.
- if you don't like the way it looks, start again.
- always aquascape while the tank is empty (no water).
- remember to keep looking at the tank from different perspectives as you work, as you need to be sympathetic to all views of the reef. What looks great from one side of the tank may not from another. Even from a sitting or standing position, the look can be affected.
- drill out the rock with a diamond hole saw so you can place the rock over a PVC pipe skeleton.
- drill holes in rocks to allow effluent ports to have free flow while concealing them.
- you can use expanding spray foam to hold rock together, but don't fill void spaces for the sake of doing it, and cover it with aragocrete when it is finished.
- bond your reef structure together with waterproof marine grade cement that is protected against sulphide attack. Microsilica as a 10% admix will help make it more sculptable, cure faster, PH balanced, stickier, and stringer without shrinkage cracks.

Mr. wilson,
I couldn't have done a better job myself. Great list!
One thing, sometimes using minimal rock is better, and allow for coral like SPS to be able to take advantage of the light as much as possible. Coral placement will be important depending on your aquascaping. But with that much space, im sure you will have all kinds of variety and space to try many different options
 
apogee MQ-200

http://www.apogee-inst.com/products.htm

does data logging over 30 minute averages and is submersible.

IMG_3847.jpg


Carl
 
Ask and you shall receive. Quantum meters... http://www.advancedaquarist.com/2005/7/review

Thank you Mr. Wilson. I have to admit I read the review and arrived at the following conclusion; This technology in my hands would be as effective and useful as an Ipad in the hands of a 6 month old baby.

I'm definitely going to need a qualified operator to gain any value from the tool. So much for user friendly....... My read also suggests that swinging a dead chicken over a Ouija board might be more accurate. I can't believe the technology has to be that obtuse.

Peter
 
Here are a few general aquascaping tips...

- try to make it asymmetrical. Symmetry makes it look fake.
- use the small (orange size) pieces on the bottom to make a smaller footprint in the sand and create caves.
- hide plumbing etc. first, then continue with the rest of the tank.
- make sure you orient each rock with the "good side" up, while maintaining the natural strata (the position the rock was formed in) of the rock.
- don't place rocks precariously, for function (balance & stability) and aesthetic reasons.
- every rock has a centre of gravity you need to ascertain and respect.
- add substrate when the rock work is half done so the rock sits on the glass and not the sand. Otherwise fish and inverts will undermine, and collapse the structure.
- make an effort to have a low foreground, medium height mid-ground, and taller background, but don't make it too contrived or it will look fake.
- add more depth by using flat rocks on the back and end walls and through smaller islands or steps in the foreground. You can link these to the mid-ground with bridges, but don't make it too cute... and no Chinese fisherman statues :)
- remember to leave room for coral to grow at the top of the tank (don't go too high).
- try not to make a straight line of uniform height, break it up with peaks and valleys.
- leave some caves for non-photosynthetic corals and cave dwelling fish.
- create stable shelves for corals. You can use a pedestal to hold it up.
- drill the rock for coral pegs or magnets to hold corals in place.
- keep in mind that you want as much area as possible exposed to light. Too many overhangs or steep drop-offs will cause excess shadowing.
- use key stones to hold the reef structure together. These can double as bridges. Longer, flat bridge-stones will tie the mid-ground and background together for more stability.
- Test the stability of the reef as you go. Gently push down on it from above so the rocks lock together naturally.
- when it's done, go around the base and middle and remove rocks that aren't structural. This will open up the reef and create caves without losing structural integrity.
- try to picture what kind of corals you want in each location and design around that. Create a gentle sweeping base for mushrooms or colonial polyps on the bottom, and holes in the middle regions to hold euphylia branches for an overhang effect. Leave large areas for leather corals to fill. SPS corals look best if they are perched with little rock surrounding it.
- avoid the straight brick wall style at all costs.
- use the biggest rocks before you get stuck with them at the end, when they no longer fit. You can always break them into smaller pieces, but it's a shame when they traveled so far to get to your tank. You have all the puzzle pieces to complete the landscape, you just don't have the box with the picture of the finished product on it :)
- diversity in rock shape and size is key. Branches and flat pieces look great, but not if you have too many of them.
- most cable ties only last a few years under water, but they can help hold it together as you build and later as corals grow and bond it together. The clear/white cable ties last longer than the black ones.
- if you use powerheads, build caves to hide them and make sure you are able to remove them every couple of months to service.
- make sure that your rock-work doesn't impede with flow from returns or powerheads.
- leave access points for closed loop intakes, so you can use a tooth brush to clean them periodically.
- incorporate large enough coral perches and nooks to avoid stinging from neighbouring corals.
- use large shells or rock rubble at the base so sand sifting fish & inverts can build permanent, stable tunnels. This will stop them from constantly digging.
- leave room between the rock-work and glass for cleaning pads and magnets.
- use the ugly rocks at the back for stability, but don't pack it tight, as you need room for fish and water flow.
- try to leave a channel across the back at the bottom for a closed loop return or powerhead, to eliminate dead spots.
- test fit pieces out of the tank before you put them in.
- large island look good, but even better if one of them is somehow linked to another by rock. This helps with eye flow and continuity.
- don't be afraid of breaking pieces to fit. A small hammer is al you need.
- use only as much rock as you need. Don't feel obligated to add more rock just because you have it.
- if you don't like the way it looks, start again.
- always aquascape while the tank is empty (no water).
- remember to keep looking at the tank from different perspectives as you work, as you need to be sympathetic to all views of the reef. What looks great from one side of the tank may not from another. Even from a sitting or standing position, the look can be affected.
- drill out the rock with a diamond hole saw so you can place the rock over a PVC pipe skeleton.
- drill holes in rocks to allow effluent ports to have free flow while concealing them.
- you can use expanding spray foam to hold rock together, but don't fill void spaces for the sake of doing it, and cover it with aragocrete when it is finished.
- bond your reef structure together with waterproof marine grade cement that is protected against sulphide attack. Microsilica as a 10% admix will help make it more sculptable, cure faster, PH balanced, stickier, and stringer without shrinkage cracks.


Great tips Mr. Wilson
I add this post to the capn's log book thread with credit to you of course

http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16888946#post16888946
 
Here are a few general aquascaping tips...

- try to make it asymmetrical. Symmetry makes it look fake.
- use the small (orange size) pieces on the bottom to make a smaller footprint in the sand and create caves.
- hide plumbing etc. first, then continue with the rest of the tank.
- make sure you orient each rock with the "good side" up, while maintaining the natural strata (the position the rock was formed in) of the rock.
- don't place rocks precariously, for function (balance & stability) and aesthetic reasons.
- every rock has a centre of gravity you need to ascertain and respect.
- add substrate when the rock work is half done so the rock sits on the glass and not the sand. Otherwise fish and inverts will undermine, and collapse the structure.
- make an effort to have a low foreground, medium height mid-ground, and taller background, but don't make it too contrived or it will look fake.
- add more depth by using flat rocks on the back and end walls and through smaller islands or steps in the foreground. You can link these to the mid-ground with bridges, but don't make it too cute... and no Chinese fisherman statues :)
- remember to leave room for coral to grow at the top of the tank (don't go too high).
- try not to make a straight line of uniform height, break it up with peaks and valleys.
- leave some caves for non-photosynthetic corals and cave dwelling fish.
- create stable shelves for corals. You can use a pedestal to hold it up.
- drill the rock for coral pegs or magnets to hold corals in place.
- keep in mind that you want as much area as possible exposed to light. Too many overhangs or steep drop-offs will cause excess shadowing.
- use key stones to hold the reef structure together. These can double as bridges. Longer, flat bridge-stones will tie the mid-ground and background together for more stability.
- Test the stability of the reef as you go. Gently push down on it from above so the rocks lock together naturally.
- when it's done, go around the base and middle and remove rocks that aren't structural. This will open up the reef and create caves without losing structural integrity.
- try to picture what kind of corals you want in each location and design around that. Create a gentle sweeping base for mushrooms or colonial polyps on the bottom, and holes in the middle regions to hold euphylia branches for an overhang effect. Leave large areas for leather corals to fill. SPS corals look best if they are perched with little rock surrounding it.
- avoid the straight brick wall style at all costs.
- use the biggest rocks before you get stuck with them at the end, when they no longer fit. You can always break them into smaller pieces, but it's a shame when they traveled so far to get to your tank. You have all the puzzle pieces to complete the landscape, you just don't have the box with the picture of the finished product on it :)
- diversity in rock shape and size is key. Branches and flat pieces look great, but not if you have too many of them.
- most cable ties only last a few years under water, but they can help hold it together as you build and later as corals grow and bond it together. The clear/white cable ties last longer than the black ones.
- if you use powerheads, build caves to hide them and make sure you are able to remove them every couple of months to service.
- make sure that your rock-work doesn't impede with flow from returns or powerheads.
- leave access points for closed loop intakes, so you can use a tooth brush to clean them periodically.
- incorporate large enough coral perches and nooks to avoid stinging from neighbouring corals.
- use large shells or rock rubble at the base so sand sifting fish & inverts can build permanent, stable tunnels. This will stop them from constantly digging.
- leave room between the rock-work and glass for cleaning pads and magnets.
- use the ugly rocks at the back for stability, but don't pack it tight, as you need room for fish and water flow.
- try to leave a channel across the back at the bottom for a closed loop return or powerhead, to eliminate dead spots.
- test fit pieces out of the tank before you put them in.
- large island look good, but even better if one of them is somehow linked to another by rock. This helps with eye flow and continuity.
- don't be afraid of breaking pieces to fit. A small hammer is al you need.
- use only as much rock as you need. Don't feel obligated to add more rock just because you have it.
- if you don't like the way it looks, start again.
- always aquascape while the tank is empty (no water).
- remember to keep looking at the tank from different perspectives as you work, as you need to be sympathetic to all views of the reef. What looks great from one side of the tank may not from another. Even from a sitting or standing position, the look can be affected.
- drill out the rock with a diamond hole saw so you can place the rock over a PVC pipe skeleton.
- drill holes in rocks to allow effluent ports to have free flow while concealing them.
- you can use expanding spray foam to hold rock together, but don't fill void spaces for the sake of doing it, and cover it with aragocrete when it is finished.
- bond your reef structure together with waterproof marine grade cement that is protected against sulphide attack. Microsilica as a 10% admix will help make it more sculptable, cure faster, PH balanced, stickier, and stringer without shrinkage cracks.

Great guide. Clear and concise. Where were you when I was starting my build? :p

Peter. I have that quantum meter. Very useful tool to remove guess work about light levels in the tank. Also helps me determine when to change the bulbs. It is way more difficult to reply to a post than to use it. All you do is take it out of the box, choose electric or sunlight, place the probe where you wish to take a reading and that's it
 
Hi, I came across your tank reading through Chingchai's thread, this is going to be an amazing tank once it's up and running! I appreciate all the questions you are asking of the reef community, as I am pinching a ton of ideas for myself when I finally get around to setting up my 440 gallon tank. Something I am most likely going to do for cooling with my tank is use geothermal cooling via a titanium heat exchanger (burying some pipe a few metres underground and running water between the underground pipes and the heat exchanger). Something maybe to consider as this could take care of possibly all your cooling and would render your chillers for back up use only.
I hope someone has warned you what a ton of live rock is going to smell like when it's curing, I hope you have some good ventalation or a very understanding wife!
P.S. Did I understand you correctly that you're a former local?
Ben
 
Here are some things I have learned at this point in our journey.............

The good news::::there is a "TON' of wisdom on this thread.

The bad news::::::there is a 'TON' of wisdom on this thread.

I have been trying to read and digest all the links,referrals and straight out coaching that the group has recommended. It is a whole bunch of work! There doesn't seem to be an end to it.............but you already knew that.

I've been trying not only to learn enough to make an informed decision, I'm trying to figure out how to choose between two logical, cogent and sincere positions that all to often contradict each other.

A disease that I have observed in this hobby that is not covered in any of the aquarium books is analysis paralysis. Its a mind numbing disease that makes the infected individual totally incapable of making a decision. I honestly have tried to read the white papers, the specialized web sites, the research papers, the links within the research papers and I can say without a doubt I am better informed because of your efforts to help me with each passing day. I can't help the growing conviction that somewhere before the end of this process that one of you is going to step forward and give me an honourary doctorate in marine biology. Ether that or I will have earned an honourary degree in advanced pharmacology!!!!

I have also learned that lobster is cheaper than live rock! I have also learned that Live Rock only flies first class!!!!

I have learned that 'stuff' in this hobby does NOT travel at the speed of light, unless its an algae bloom or a pregnant red bug.

I've learned that the people that are truly successful in this domain are to be respected and are far, far too rare.

I've also learned that true veterans that have either experienced catastrophic failure or just plain burnout absolutely deserve our respect for teaching the rest of us so much at such high cost to themselves.

I've observed that the primary fuel for this hobby is passionate enthusiasm.

I've also observed that the greatest single contribution to failure in the aquarium is too much passionate enthusiasm.

I've learned that patience without discipline leads to catatonic inertia. We have far too many good firefighters in this hobby. All to often, if there isn't an emergency to fight or correct we sit around not knowing what to do next and get into trouble cause we're bored!!!!

On those notes.......................Decisions next.

Peter

You Sir are a fast study! It took me about 10 years in this hobby to come to your above conclusion. :bounce2:

I once posted in a "if I was to do it all over again" thread that "I would marry a marine biologist with a masters in chemistry" and I still stand by this statement.

Welcome to the Hobby! :beer:
 
hello peter, how are you . my head started spinning around page 25 so i skimmed through until i got here . if you want to quiet the peanut gallery post some more pics because i cant take anymore flow talk . i want to compliment you on a few things .first i am an electrical contractor from seattle ,wa where i specialized in high end residential homes for 18 years . i wired the cfo of microsoft and the main guy from costco and starbucks just to name homes that made arcitechtual dijest . . i have worked on and seen some of the finest homes in seattle . that staircase is absolutly beautifull., I love it .......... as it nice as it was it needed that second staircase to the basement. what impact. that has on the entry and the upstairs .so tell your wife just for that one reason it was worth it. the desighn and construction of the remodel of your basement is top notch . just a quick thought on the theam of the other two spots .if you have ever snorkled before maybe a scean you and your wife did together . for example on our honeymoon we went scuba in maui there was molokini and lani . i am sure you can get pics of somewhere you guys went and use that as one of your themes .
 
So here it is, Saturday morning, and no live television feed of the landing of the live rock. Is anyone else as disappointed as I am? :bum:

Dave.M
 
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