Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

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The benefit of caulerpa is it grows faster than chaetomorpha or gracileria. The shortcoming is it can crash and in some cases sneak into the display tank. It's also harder to harvest as it sticks to everything. Some caulerpa, such as C. Prolifera have antibacterial properties.

Turf algae doesn't crash/reproduce sexually and it grows very fast. I have had a few tanks where red or green turf algae got into the tank and proliferated (nice word for took over). High levels of magnesium (1500 ppm) is the only solution I have found for killing it off. It's a "too much of a good thing" method. This level (1500 ppm) is perfectly safe for invertebrates.
 
Ways to kill turf alge....good to know mr W. I do still keep a verry and i stress verry small amount of caulerpa ( a 10 gal tank on my 4-500 gal system). there are three different types in there, the green grape, a purple grape, and the feather leaf stuff, its sole purpose in life is to treat my tangs some of which eat only one or two types while others eat all three like they have been starved for weeks. guess fish are pickey eaters or pigs just like people lol
 
Ways to kill turf alge....good to know mr W. I do still keep a verry and i stress verry small amount of caulerpa ( a 10 gal tank on my 4-500 gal system). there are three different types in there, the green grape, a purple grape, and the feather leaf stuff, its sole purpose in life is to treat my tangs some of which eat only one or two types while others eat all three like they have been starved for weeks. guess fish are pickey eaters or pigs just like people lol

Cheato macro algae can be induced to grow very rapidly by
harvesting it once a week
when harvesting rip the strands and spread the remainder over more surface area. A damaged plant will grow quicker to heal and the larger surface area gives more contact with the water column
Adding iron
Once a month or so really shaking it to remove light blocking detrius. I shake it in the water column so as to give an extra feed to the fish in the tank
Rotating it once a week or having it rotate constantly with an power head
Giving it a down time of 6 hours a day to process the products of photsynthesis.
Giving it away to people who really want it----:D just kidding that is a nice thing to do but it doesn't encourage the growth of it

Harvesting is the only way to remove the nitrates and phosphates from the water column. If you let it yellow or die then they are released right back into the water column
 
Ways to kill turf alge....good to know mr W. I do still keep a verry and i stress verry small amount of caulerpa ( a 10 gal tank on my 4-500 gal system). there are three different types in there, the green grape, a purple grape, and the feather leaf stuff, its sole purpose in life is to treat my tangs some of which eat only one or two types while others eat all three like they have been starved for weeks. guess fish are pickey eaters or pigs just like people lol

I have to admit that I have one clients tank that has a rock full of grape caulerpa in his display tank. I keep it trimmed once a week and so far I have been able to control it----boy the chances we take to please people:crazy1:
 
+ 1 to the Capn. Skip the caulerpa. The only people i know who have used it long term including myself have kept it under 24Hr intense lighting, with constant pruning. And in my case it still crashed around year 3 and made a real mess in my tank. Cheato will not do this.


I agree and with the information provided in the link I don't think caulerpa is in my future. Thank you both.......

Peter
 
gobbling goby

gobbling goby

"orange spotted diamond head'" it is then. Thanks Greg. Great context for the first fish selection. The rubble absolutely adds depth and character to your tank. That is phenomenal growth in one year by the way. Well done.

Peter

I couldn't agree more... after months of battling that damn red slime alge all over my sand...i purchased a beautiful orange spotted diamond goby. he has proceeded to build a sand mansions under all of my rocks and in doing so turnes over all the sand in my 75 at least once a day.
Excellent fish!:D
 
BTW Peter--you do not have to take notes on all this stuff. You can click on thread tools and get a printable version:D

Finally this is a question of long standing for me........do you have to print one page at a time? Is there a way to print an entire thread? or better still, is it possible to save an entire thread to disk for archival purposes?

Peter
 
Since we have so much good information being added to this thread on the different types of refugiums, I would like to add in the possibility of the Jaubert-type plenum refugium, just to get opinions based on real experience. Would those in the know please chime in here to add to the general knowledge base for those of us still trying to sift through so much data? Wouldn't a plenum-type refugium work faster than a deep sand bed to remove/release nitrogen?

Thx,

Dave.M
 
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with me its rather a matter of being successful with the clients I have. Hamilton seems to be mired in a sea of misconceptions about basic reefing concepts and maintaining marine tanks. This is why I switched over to RC a few years back and got away from the local reef forums
It seems the enlightenment in the reefkeeping business is centred around the Oakville/Mississauga/GTO area.
In that I appreciate being able to communicate with guys from that area

When you think about it capn, the challenge of keeping a salt water reef is a daunting one. The single greatest earthbound source of new species on the planet occurs in, on or around coral reefs. This suggests a critically complex ecosystem that by definition is in a constant state of change, if it is in a healthy state. As a generator of new species it seems to me, that its most productive state would be in the midst of chaos. And we are trying to control that turmoil in an incredibly small water column with a fairly limited set of tools.

This hobby (coral reef management) is still incredibly young, at most maybe 30 yrs. Much of the valuable experience has been limited to a relatively few sources and all too often wrapped in a level of complexity in language and knowledge not all that accessible to the average hobbyist. I would argue that by far the greatest advance in the evolution of coral reef management has been the internet itself. With so much activity going on around the world it is making available a mountain of information available to the average hobbyist. Better still it is also beginning to make available the tools to distill useful information from the raw data of experience.

The challenge we face in this environment is that not all of the members of this community are trained or predisposed to separate themselves from the facts of our experience versus our feelings about those facts. In other words it is extremely difficult to divine the constants about our hobby that reflect solid principles that remain true day after day after day.......

I think to make matters even worse, that the ideal state for a serious hobbyist, is to accept that lightning does strike reefs, cyclones and hurricanes do cause havoc, tsunamis wreak major damage and nature somehow copes with all this and even benefits from this normal evolutionary process. Forest fires destroy forests and thereby create positive opportunities for new growth. Who is to say that some of the processes that we try so desperately to curtail are actually part of the contribution to healthy evolutionary stages of growth and revitalization?

This isn't to throw a wet blanket (excuse the pun) on our efforts to find pleasure in this domain in fact my argument would be that we should expect a degree of uncertainty as a central feature of our reefing experience. This is truly a concrete example that our efforts to learn about this hobby are more about the journey than the destination. All we can hope to achieve is coping with one level of change preparing for the next level of change.

This in turn should not mean that we throw the baby out with the saltwater either. There are best practices that can be demonstrated and proven to be effective. We who are serious about this hobby owe it to each other to try and codify those principles in a useful form for the benefit of all in this community. Advances in this discipline will come rapidly when we are able to popularize the notion of excellence in the pursuit of 'best practices'.

So to bring this all home..........."Hamilton seems to be mired in a sea of misconceptions about basic reefing concepts and maintaining marine tanks." This forum is all about changing that dynamic one paragraph or one picture at a time!!!!

Peter
 
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I couldn't agree more... after months of battling that damn red slime alge all over my sand...i purchased a beautiful orange spotted diamond goby. he has proceeded to build a sand mansions under all of my rocks and in doing so turnes over all the sand in my 75 at least once a day.
Excellent fish!:D

It will be a while yet before I deal with fish but this subject has prompted me to 'book' a spot for three pairs..........24 ft is a lot of sand to sift!!!!

Peter
 
Well ... there goes the massive orders for the Orange spotted diamond goby :fish2: worldwide!!
I know I want some now !!

BTW ... Peter ... the way you describe and write things down on here ... you seem like a one heck of an intellectual person!! Just my humble opinion.

Thx,
Paul
 
Since we have so much good information being added to this thread on the different types of refugiums, I would like to add in the possibility of the Jaubert-type plenum refugium, just to get opinions based on real experience. Would those in the know please chime in here to add to the general knowledge base for those of us still trying to sift through so much data? Wouldn't a plenum-type refugium work faster than a deep sand bed to remove/release nitrogen?

Thx,

Dave.M

Thanks Dave. Clearly someone brighter than I will have to tackle this one. I started to do some research and it seems there is some controversial aspects to this method. I'm looking for as much certainty as possible with the elements of my build. Initially I will seek consensus to help with the decisions before I break with obvious well established traditions. Having said that I'm not opposed to new ideas, I just want some firm ground to stand on before jumping on better alternatives.

Peter
 
Well ... there goes the massive orders for the Orange spotted diamond goby :fish2: worldwide!!
I know I want some now !!

BTW ... Peter ... the way you describe and write things down on here ... you seem like a one heck of an intellectual person!! Just my humble opinion.

Thx,
Paul

Thank you Paul, you are waaaay too kind.

Peter
 
nineball said:
... Clearly someone brighter than I will have to tackle this one. ... I'm not opposed to new ideas, I just want some firm ground to stand on before jumping on better alternatives.
Yes, that's exactly why I bring it up here, Peter. Since we are getting so much first-hand experience from people who have actually been there/done that/got the t-shirt, this seems to be a great place to compare as many of the current flavours of refugiums as possible. There are many of us who are still trying to put all of this info together, and to have it all in one place on one thread would very helpful.

Dave.M
 
With all due respect ..... in all my readings whether online or literatures ... this (nineball) Thread (& Chingchai's) has set a precedent in everything from the initial design, hardwares and even omigosh .... liverocks ... that is still in it's infancy and in progress still .... imagine when this is all completely done :celeb3: !!

Two Gentlemen from two different regions of the World ... with trend setting pleasures for All to Enjoy :D !!

Paul
 
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