Coral Tank from Canada (1350gal Display Tank)

[Sohal Tang Tim]

slow is good.....

slow is good.....

Peter, nothing GOOD happens FAST in a reef.....

6 months to add fish might even be soon....take your time....
Do not give yourself a time limit.....if it is 7 months or 8 then so be it.....

A tank that size will take a long time to stabalize....

My 280 gallon was set up in July of last year and it only really feels
stable *now*.....thats 9 months later...I had fish in much sooner but
that does not make it ideal....

Someone told me one time it takes a YEAR for a tank to really cycle
and I think that is easily true when they are big tanks.....

Enjoy the cycling process....you will have livestock to feed soon enough...
enjoy the phase....

Incredible set up....envy of all Ontario reefers!

Congratulations on a mind boggling set up.

Tim

 

[kgood1]

With all due respect ..... in all my readings whether online or literatures ... this (nineball) Thread (& Chingchai's) has set a precedent in everything from the initial design, hardwares and even omigosh .... liverocks ... that is still in it's infancy and in progress still .... imagine when this is all completely done :celeb3: !!

Two Gentlemen from two different regions of the World ... with trend setting pleasures for All to Enjoy !!

Paul

+1...... I've been following both and I could not agree more.

 

[PauChi]

Yes same in Calgary but the store isn't a typical grocery store & caters to many ethnic back grounds and I've seen mangrove pods available there. I don't usually shop there so it's been awhile and I would imagine their availability would be seasonal.

As in Loblaws 'Superstore"??? Really? I should enquire about that .... :bigeyes: !!

Paul

 

[Aquarist007]

Not to worry Capn, you will be one of the first with Mr. Wilson to get the grand tour.


Peter

:bounce3::bounce3::bounce3::beer:

 

[Aquarist007]

Thanks Peter. you made me look up the word verbiage interesting as i thought it would of taken longer in planning. You have achieved the right balance with the tank and its surrounding both complimenting each other. ill put in my 2 cents regarding the mangroves and deep sand beds as ive employed both systems, ive never had any better success at lower nitrates with either system. my latest home tank of about 600 litres has a very shallow bed with zero nitrates, i personaly didnt see a benefit using a dsb in the sump either, albeit i do use much larger skimmers on my systems then most people would suggest. i do admit the mangroves look great but i dont know how effective they are. i do see Mr. Frank has used quite a few compared to 4 or 5 mangroves i tried and that may be a difference. Im sure you have sourced your skimmer Peter as i see that as key to any system,

[welcome]

If this is the Flavio I used to know from ORG then a double welcome to RC
Your expertise will prove be an asset to this site I'm sure.

BTW
I prefer a plethora of diatribe rather then using verbiage:bounce3::fun2:

 

[mr.wilson]

Yes same in Calgary but the store isn't a typical grocery store & caters to many ethnic back grounds and I've seen mangrove pods available there. I don't usually shop there so it's been awhile and I would imagine their availability would be seasonal.

Target in the USA (Buffalo) sells red mangrove pods. They sell them for around $5.00 for about 8 pods in a pot. They actually grow faster in soil with freshwater. If you want to jumpstart a mangrove filter, grow them in pots in soil outside in natural sunlight for a few months first. A friend of mine has had about 20 mangroves in a deep sand bed filter for over 20 years now. They are only 2' tall with few leaves. He's growing them under MHL, but they don't do much.

I'll back Flavio up on the idea that DSB's and mangrove filters don't have a good record for success stories, but they certainly don't hurt or cost much to set-up or operate.

 

[Aquarist007]

Target in the USA (Buffalo) sells red mangrove pods. They sell them for around $5.00 for about 8 pods in a pot. They actually grow faster in soil with freshwater. If you want to jumpstart a mangrove filter, grow them in pots in soil outside in natural sunlight for a few months first. A friend of mine has had about 20 mangroves in a deep sand bed filter for over 20 years now. They are only 2' tall with few leaves. He's growing them under MHL, but they don't do much.

I'll back Flavio up on the idea that DSB's and mangrove filters don't have a good record for success stories, but they certainly don't hurt or cost much to set-up or operate.

I'm in agreement with you and Flavio but I don't want to undermine Frank's success with them.

 

[advanced reef]

Tis I. ive actualy been on r.c. since the early days but my old account isnt working. thanks for the welcome though. i remember seeing Dick Perrin using mangroves at Tropicorum a few years ago and he swore by them, as Sean stated, i dont think it would hurt, same as deep sand bed. i just found i had the same results without either system, I wasnt aware target sold them, im over quite often and will check that out. i also recall two little fishies use to sell them as well, dont know if they still do.

 

[Aquarist007]

Tis I. ive actualy been on r.c. since the early days but my old account isnt working. thanks for the welcome though. i remember seeing Dick Perrin using mangroves at Tropicorum a few years ago and he swore by them, as Sean stated, i dont think it would hurt, same as deep sand bed. i just found i had the same results without either system, I wasnt aware target sold them, im over quite often and will check that out. i also recall two little fishies use to sell them as well, dont know if they still do.

Its amazing how all the "informed" reefers in our area are showing up on RC and on this thread
Are you sitll in the business Flavio---I heard you had left ORG

 

[Gatorluva9]

wow really nice tank

 

[mr.wilson]

I'm in agreement with you and Flavio but I don't want to undermine Frank's success with them.

Absolutely. If someone is having success with any method, then more power to them. I actually use remote deep sand beds, mangroves and do water changes, despite the lack of empirical data showing that these make much of a difference.

Most of the methods we employ are not miracle cures, but together they are a catalyst to success. The solution to optimum water quality lies in baby steps, not in a magic bullet. mangroves are one of those small steps. Julian Sprung wrote a small booklet on mangroves if anyone is interested in reading more about them.

 

[nineball]

I'm in agreement with you and Flavio but I don't want to undermine Frank's success with them.

Ok capn, I want to make an important point here that I know challenges every member of this forum at one time or another................

Every so often we get different points of view that are honest and sincere. I want all of us to feel ok about expressing a view that may contradict another view. As long as its NOT a personal attack, its welcome here ....period, any time from anybody. Got that everyone????? This is a safe place to share information.

Now, the awkward part. I have had occasion in this thread where two individuals that I like and respect have offered advice that is contradictory in one way or another. There is a very real human reaction NOT to choose sides by declaring a preference for fear of offending someone I respect.

So let me say now, that I haven't, nor will I take a position that in any way implies disrespect of any kind. This is a great community and a fabulous build for us all.

So if you see me scurrying home in the dark from the local wallmart with an armload of mangrove plants please know that they are really for my wife and I might store them in the fish room for a while.........:idea:

On a slightly different note, sometimes you folks make it difficult for someone like me who does not have the depth of knowledge that you all do to try and reconcile two opposing points of view. Remember when you discuss an issue that has more than one point of view that all too often I am ill equipped to make a reasonable judgement call on the best option. Help me a wee bit by hearing my honest admission that you folks are light years ahead of me and I need you to sometimes help me choose.

This commercial is intended to be heard by everyone in this community.


Peter

 

[nineball]

Tis I. ive actualy been on r.c. since the early days but my old account isnt working. thanks for the welcome though. i remember seeing Dick Perrin using mangroves at Tropicorum a few years ago and he swore by them, as Sean stated, i dont think it would hurt, same as deep sand bed. i just found i had the same results without either system, I wasnt aware target sold them, im over quite often and will check that out. i also recall two little fishies use to sell them as well, dont know if they still do.

I should correct my response to the skimmer question earlier ......... thats an RK2 PE25. Sorry for any confusion and a sincere welcome to the community.

Peter

 

[stevek480]

I think everyone understands that not every single piece of advice will be followed, but the discussion is certainly bringing out a lot of knowledge that will be beneficial to the community in the future. I too have heard that mangroves won't be that useful for nutrient uptake but I still have them, because I think its just one more small thing you can add to the tank to make it a bit more natural. It takes little effort and its also interesting to watch them grow. I can't keep a house plant alive for the life of me, but so far my mangroves are growing okay!

 

[nineball]

Absolutely. If someone is having success with any method, then more power to them. I actually use remote deep sand beds, mangroves and do water changes, despite the lack of empirical data showing that these make much of a difference.

Most of the methods we employ are not miracle cures, but together they are a catalyst to success. The solution to optimum water quality lies in baby steps, not in a magic bullet. mangroves are one of those small steps. Julian Sprung wrote a small booklet on mangroves if anyone is interested in reading more about them.

Well said Sean, and thank you.

Peter

 

[nineball]

wow really nice tank

Thanks Gatorluva, special welcome to our group............


How's this welcome.......I took this hand held in the everglades.

Peter

 

[Padrino]

Peter/Scott/Frank/Shawn
I have to agree with the views expressed recently on the topic of mangroves in conjunction of a refugium. Everything is part of a mathematical equation. Shear numbers. The larger the amount of cheato the higher potential for nutrient export. Same story for mangroves. If you haven't committed to setting up a nice swamp with some mangroves in your fish room, it might be a good idea. No one mentioned that it releases oxygen. For peters system, im not sure he will ever have to worry about low O2 since he has a state of the art heat recovery ventilator. This would also ensure that you have fresh air coming into the house, removing humidity and improving oxygen levels, This will ensure you don't ever have PH levels below normal.

I can prove along with many others on RC the excess CO2 in the surrounding tank environment will cause low PH conditions, I think a little green in the fish room might go a long way over time.

FWIW my upgrade im planning will have a mangrove swamp , i just need to find a place to get 40 of them

Great job Peter with the build and glad to be back!
Rob

 

[nineball]

I think everyone understands that not every single piece of advice will be followed, but the discussion is certainly bringing out a lot of knowledge that will be beneficial to the community in the future. I too have heard that mangroves won't be that useful for nutrient uptake but I still have them, because I think its just one more small thing you can add to the tank to make it a bit more natural. It takes little effort and its also interesting to watch them grow. I can't keep a house plant alive for the life of me, but so far my mangroves are growing okay!

Thanks steve and I completely agree with you...........I might use the mangrove forest to bring my wife into the hobby as she is an avid gardener.

Peter

 

[nineball]

Peter/Scott/Frank/Shawn
I have to agree with the views expressed recently on the topic of mangroves in conjunction of a refugium. Everything is part of a mathematical equation. Shear numbers. The larger the amount of cheato the higher potential for nutrient export. Same story for mangroves. If you haven't committed to setting up a nice swamp with some mangroves in your fish room, it might be a good idea. No one mentioned that it releases oxygen. For peters system, im not sure he will ever have to worry about low O2 since he has a state of the art heat recovery ventilator. This would also ensure that you have fresh air coming into the house, removing humidity and improving oxygen levels, This will ensure you don't ever have PH levels below normal.

I can prove along with many others on RC the excess CO2 in the surrounding tank environment will cause low PH conditions, I think a little green in the fish room might go a long way over time.

FWIW my upgrade im planning will have a mangrove swamp , i just need to find a place to get 40 of them

Great job Peter with the build and glad to be back!
Rob

We missed you too Rob, don't forget to check Chingchai`s thread. He has some interesting updates.

Peter

 

[Aquarist007]

Ok capn, I want to make an important point here that I know challenges every member of this forum at one time or another................

Every so often we get different points of view that are honest and sincere. I want all of us to feel ok about expressing a view that may contradict another view. As long as its NOT a personal attack, its welcome here ....period, any time from anybody. Got that everyone????? This is a safe place to share information.

Now, the awkward part. I have had occasion in this thread where two individuals that I like and respect have offered advice that is contradictory in one way or another. There is a very real human reaction NOT to choose sides by declaring a preference for fear of offending someone I respect.

So let me say now, that I haven't, nor will I take a position that in any way implies disrespect of any kind. This is a great community and a fabulous build for us all.

So if you see me scurrying home in the dark from the local wallmart with an armload of mangrove plants please know that they are really for my wife and I might store them in the fish room for a while.........:idea:

On a slightly different note, sometimes you folks make it difficult for someone like me who does not have the depth of knowledge that you all do to try and reconcile two opposing points of view. Remember when you discuss an issue that has more than one point of view that all too often I am ill equipped to make a reasonable judgement call on the best option. Help me a wee bit by hearing my honest admission that you folks are light years ahead of me and I need you to sometimes help me choose.

This commercial is intended to be heard by everyone in this community.


Peter

Peter, everyone on this thread has been sharing view points. I know you are overwelmed at times but you will learn and quickly. Its better for you to be exposed to the different view points then just one point of view. This is one of the reasons I prefer to dedicate most of my time to Reef Central. With over 220,000 members last count(its probably 222,009 by the time I finish this post) you are going to get alot of different view point on the same subject.
The skill that you learn gradually is to be able to analyze and see trends in the the viewpoints being presented.
The mods on Reef Central do an outstanding job keeping posts on discussing ideas rather then trashing the presenter or poster but there are always a few--this site is just too big to monitor every post.
I, and I know some of the others just do not participate or answer the jerks on threads that are negative and attack other hobbyists.
You will notice that this thread as attracted alot of excellent hobbyists---that says alot for the professionality and conduct on this thread.

At this point you should be taking in all the discussion and not worry about making judgements on the view that you want to adopt. Eventually you will be able to do that and be much more confident.