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:idea: do you get mangos from mangroves:lolspin:
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nineball
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Phew... Made it! In only 3 days!
Peter/All, great build thread you have created here, or community as you refer to it often. I was inspired to read the entire thread beginning to end. I am most of the way through the build of my own dream tank, I can say I've learned a lot from the group, confirmed other suspicions and raised several questions.
I did not see any conclusion on flow in your system so i'll share a link that I personally feel is one of the better ways of creating and managing flow. This was a huge design problem for my build, or something that I worried about, because I found it hard to get quality empirical data for systems that had longevity and were not based upon power heads.
Anyhow, here is the link on one way of creating a variable speed closed loop system and I think the best part would be having a 1-10v programmable controller creating the "randomness" often associated with high-end power heads like Tunze and Echotech. As of now, it's the current best plan for my system, but given the only constant is change, I'm not promising anything.
Best of luck to your build, I'm sure it's almost as challenging as keeping up the thread!
Cheers,
Tim
Peter/All, great build thread you have created here, or community as you refer to it often. I was inspired to read the entire thread beginning to end. I am most of the way through the build of my own dream tank, I can say I've learned a lot from the group, confirmed other suspicions and raised several questions.
I did not see any conclusion on flow in your system so i'll share a link that I personally feel is one of the better ways of creating and managing flow. This was a huge design problem for my build, or something that I worried about, because I found it hard to get quality empirical data for systems that had longevity and were not based upon power heads.
Anyhow, here is the link on one way of creating a variable speed closed loop system and I think the best part would be having a 1-10v programmable controller creating the "randomness" often associated with high-end power heads like Tunze and Echotech. As of now, it's the current best plan for my system, but given the only constant is change, I'm not promising anything.
Best of luck to your build, I'm sure it's almost as challenging as keeping up the thread!
Cheers,
Tim
PauChi
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Maybe add a bunch of mudskippers, swamp crabs & one or two Proboscis monkeys from Borneo ... :spin2: to the Mangroves!!
Paul
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different strokes!
different strokes!
Its amazing the different views and ideas in the hobby....there is
definitely ALOT MORE then one way to skin a cat in reefing.....some
better then others....some just as good as the other....
I met a very successful reefer that was keeping...get this...giant lobster in his sump......He swore that it kept his sump absolutely spotless and he had been keeping for years with great success.....
I don't think you can lose with the mangrove set up...again, providing
the number of them is adequate...but then again some are better then none too...They cannot possibly *not* make a difference...Getting closer to
natural is the way to go in my opinion for sure if you can do it....
Incredible build and amazing information!
thanks again for sharing with everyone.
Tim
different strokes!
Its amazing the different views and ideas in the hobby....there is
definitely ALOT MORE then one way to skin a cat in reefing.....some
better then others....some just as good as the other....
I met a very successful reefer that was keeping...get this...giant lobster in his sump......He swore that it kept his sump absolutely spotless and he had been keeping for years with great success.....
I don't think you can lose with the mangrove set up...again, providing
the number of them is adequate...but then again some are better then none too...They cannot possibly *not* make a difference...Getting closer to
natural is the way to go in my opinion for sure if you can do it....
Incredible build and amazing information!
thanks again for sharing with everyone.
Tim
PauChi
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A question for Shawn ... would it ever be a problem to bring this mangrove pods back from across the border at all? I do frequent Buffalo quite often.
Or better still ... I may attempt to bring back loads of these mangrove pods from my hometown and of course with the proper permit.
Thx,
Paul
khaosinc
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I agree that in most cases many things like this can't really hurt, and most likely help to some degree. In my original plans I was going to have a fairly large tank dedicated to being a planted tank as part of the system in addition to the sump. mangroves were included in that plan. If it only makes my tank experience a little more interesting than its well worth while in my opinion. The only thing to keep in mind is what are the needs of the plants vs the rest of the tank, and being able to balance those needs
nineball
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Thanks Tim and welcome. I am going through the thread and have found it very educational, especially the comments about pump operating efficiency. I am breaking the CL into two zones (with a doubling of the CL configuration) that I hope will give me more precise control over flow as well as flexibility. I also have fourteen heads on the return from the open system so the potential for chaos exists (I hope). Choosing a variable pump configuration could well make living in this tank very interesting for all its inhabitants.
Peter
Frank Aguirre
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See? What did I tell you? LOL
See? What did I tell you? LOL
Hello all ,
I hope you remember what I wrote:
The Mangrove debate is eternal LOL
The fact of the matter is that aquarium keeping can be a difficult as you may like it or as simple as you may like it.
The 80's were full of that until John Tullock put some breaks and came with his famous "More biology less technology"
I was a student at the faculty of Biology Sciences when I visit Dick Perrin in Michigan for the first time and realize that his circulation method was based on air instead of power full water pumps.
I was at the time very obsessed with the tools and gadgets that Albert Thiel was producing. The 90's I spend 10 years working at public aquariums and in none of them there was refugiums or skimmers but a lot of sand filters instead.
At the end what is shocking is that we know more about the moon than about our oceans. That people was paying more attention about Tiger Woods that the Tanker spilling oil in the great Barrier Reef in Australia. And so on.
It's in our hands aquarists to shine light about our experiments and bring them to light so all can learn.
That is the spirit.
And no worries debate is good as long as nobody gets offended neither trashed in science all ideas are welcomed no matter how crazy they may look.
This ladies and gentlemen is science not faith.
Sincere regards,
Frank A.
See? What did I tell you? LOL
Hello all ,
I hope you remember what I wrote:
The Mangrove debate is eternal LOL
The fact of the matter is that aquarium keeping can be a difficult as you may like it or as simple as you may like it.
The 80's were full of that until John Tullock put some breaks and came with his famous "More biology less technology"
I was a student at the faculty of Biology Sciences when I visit Dick Perrin in Michigan for the first time and realize that his circulation method was based on air instead of power full water pumps.
I was at the time very obsessed with the tools and gadgets that Albert Thiel was producing. The 90's I spend 10 years working at public aquariums and in none of them there was refugiums or skimmers but a lot of sand filters instead.
At the end what is shocking is that we know more about the moon than about our oceans. That people was paying more attention about Tiger Woods that the Tanker spilling oil in the great Barrier Reef in Australia. And so on.
It's in our hands aquarists to shine light about our experiments and bring them to light so all can learn.
That is the spirit.
And no worries debate is good as long as nobody gets offended neither trashed in science all ideas are welcomed no matter how crazy they may look.
This ladies and gentlemen is science not faith.
Sincere regards,
Frank A.
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I knew which skimmer and a great choice, you will have no issue with the rk brand Peter. there are many different ways of keeping a great reef tank and opposing views in a constructive manner lead to better results. My methods may contradict Seans or Franks or the other way around yet the common denominators are the same, if you told me you were foregoing a skimmer for mangroves im sure the census from everyone would be the same, ive seen nice tanks with less than conventional methods yet it sparks intrigue as opposed to sheer dismissal, an open mind is key as we dont get a manual with our setups.
mr.wilson
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There are three types of Mangroves from different parts of the world (black, white, & red). I believe the black are from Asia.
Mangrove pods are considered seeds and therefore do not require a phytosanitary certificate and inspection as would a plant. You would have to take them out of the soil for them to qualify. Having said that, they may delay you at the border as you try to explain the difference between a pod and a plant.
mr.wilson
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While mangroves do not add oxygen to the water, they do however add it to your fishroom and more importantly, they convert Co2 to O2. If you have a bunch of fish guys over who never stop talking, the PH in the tank will drop considerably due to the increase in Co2.
Terrestrial plants like mangroves are a perfect natural remedy for this problem. They also strip the air of harmful VOC's that might otherwise make it into your system or source water container.
Terrestrial plants like mangroves are a perfect natural remedy for this problem. They also strip the air of harmful VOC's that might otherwise make it into your system or source water container.
PauChi
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Thanks Shawn
. I'll have to try my chance and see if I'm lucky to get a custom officer who's a reefer as well ... :bigeyes: .
Paul
PauChi
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I wouldn't use the term "reefer" while talking to a customs officer
Are you a "saltwater enthusiast" sir??? :lol:
Paul
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Please, if you can, once your design-team discusses the 3phase idea for variable flow through a closed loop, please let us know their thoughts, or direct them to post here. I'm really curious what your pro-swat team thinks.
I'm also curious if anyone else has some thoughts.... I'm such a fan I know I'm biased at this point.
Posidion
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Posidion
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In the future try watering your house plants with sea water from a water change, that may help just a thought.:lolspin:
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