Coral Wants..... A Fireside Chat
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Tazbader
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"What is the name of the company and I will call and see if they will do discounts for a club buy."
They will, I'm way ahead of you. I have it under control. They are giving us a promo pack to sell at the next swap to help us raise money. Orders will go through me and it will pretty much be wholesale. Really good prices. He pretty much goes by scientific names only on most of the frags. Designer and LE corals are about 3/4 the price ATL is selling them for. Box charges are very resonable.
They will, I'm way ahead of you. I have it under control. They are giving us a promo pack to sell at the next swap to help us raise money. Orders will go through me and it will pretty much be wholesale. Really good prices. He pretty much goes by scientific names only on most of the frags. Designer and LE corals are about 3/4 the price ATL is selling them for. Box charges are very resonable.
phljess
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Well, I would like to look at the site myself. Could you please give me the name of the site so I can make sure everything is the real deal. I do not want to send money and buy coral that is suppose to be "Superman Montipora" and comes to me brown with red orange polyps. I would like to actually talk to the salesman at the site. Mary normally handles most of our group buys so I would like to use her since she handles our club accounts. Hope you don't mind. I will see if she will take care of it for us.
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coralreefer
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Nothing new but I'm confused...did these come from a retail establishment in CA or did they come from 104th street or ????
Do you know if they are "true" LEs or look alikes?
Tazbader
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Retail Shop in Cali, no they don't have a website that I know of. And Phil I never said we would be doing a "group" buy..... I said he was going to donate some corals to help us raise money, so there is nothing to check out, no real deals and I seriously doubt he will want to deal with strangers as he is a retail shop giving me a wholesale deal because we have a friend in common. If everyone starts in on him trying to get some deal it could ruin it for me. He told me if I wanted to get some people together to get an order together he would give me a good deal as I am not paying retail. It was just an idea to help raise money for the club, the general interest in SPS and maybe get a few people in on some orders of cheap corals like our LFS since he has been such a help to me. Sorry if you took all this the wrong way Phil 
phljess
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Who is bashing? All I wanted to do was take a look at the coral that is offered before I put any money down, how is this a bash? I mean you have been in the area for a couple months and you decide you will be in charge of a club buy, where did you get the power to do so? Without anyone else even being able to see the coral. It sounds a little fishy to me.
firefish2020
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This would seem to be a Group Buy, your intentions may indeed be honorable but before we can do a GB using the group name we have to run it by the Council first.
coralreefer
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FWIW our local stores generally avoid cheap SPS in favor of aquacultured pieces.
I'm honestly not up on what Barry carries lately but he use to routinely order ORA pieces for us. Jim usually has anywhere from 20-40 (guessing since I've never counted) aqua cultured SPS in stock.
Unlike some I don't care so much if a coral is an LE or not.
I''d gladly take "just" an imitation appleberry or sunrise monti but I'd have to see the piece and have more information regarding how long it's been cultured, how it's adapted etc. Freshly imported "wilds" can be iffy in too many ways. Still even if it was proven to be reliable it would only be worth 3/4 of the price of an LE to me.
Guess this is where I'm confused again...not bashing.
If he's going to donate some corals to the club COOL :beer: but then you mention a wholesale deal and getting people together for an order.
i dont think anyone is bashing but the first thing someone asks when they are buying a coral LE or not more so if its a LE is where did it come from alot of stores that sell LE keep records of what people buy i could call ATL up right now an ask them to send me a list of everything i have ever gotten from them and they would send me a list..... most people want proof of lineage thats all
firefish2020
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Yep, we are on the same tracks when it comes to aquaculture and promoting it's benefits, WC coral can yield an unexpected find from time to time but the cost is way to high IMO. No bashing at all but we need to know what we are getting in situations such as these.
phljess
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Lets see here Chuck, did you intiate you were going to be the only "liason" between the seller and the club members not give people info from where you plan to buy? No, you did not. If he would let us know where he is planning on buying from and we could see the actual pieces they are selling, this would be a different story. Also inverts are a lot different than rare or LE coral. I mean how many people are selling a Tyree blue legged crabs, hey now thats an idea LE CRABS, everyone is getting them but the hard part is getting rid of them. Sometimes you have to see the doctor.
Tazbader
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Quote -"I mean you have been in the area for a couple months and you decide you will be in charge of a club buy,-"What?!" where did you get the power to do so? -"The Force..." Without anyone else even being able to see the coral. It sounds a little fishy to me." Never said it was going to be a club buy..........didn't put myself in charge of anything. I made an offer through a friend that was giving this club free stuff for us to sell, no strings attached, for "our" or maybe I should say "your" benefit. I am sorry that it sounds fishy to you, it was supposed to sound "Corally."
Quote - "This would seem to be a Group Buy, your intentions may indeed be honorable but before we can do a GB using the group name we have to run it by the Council first." - Never said it was going to be a group buy, didn't mean to imply one.......... again..........I promise.... no group buy.
Quote - "If he's going to donate some corals to the club COOL but then you mention a wholesale deal and getting people together for an order. " - Yes my mistake, I was trying to say if a few people wanted to get some corals with me I could do it for a deal..... getting tons of flak for that so I retacted it. It was a bad idea. Once again, no group buy.... I promise. No coral buys of any kind, it was a mistake. BUT HEY, WE'LL TAKE THE FREE STUFF......
Quote - "Hold the phone here I was only involved in this club for a few months and I controlled a group buy for critters and didn't get this kinda of flack., I realize that establishing a linage on a coral is one thing but still I think we are going a bit into the crazy zone here." - FWIW "Tanks"if I ever meet you I will thank you in person (you can have a coral too)
Not trying to start something again but I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific name of a Purple Monster is or a Bali tri-color.(Ok, Ok, I know we all do but). That is the true lineage IMO. I do understand the authenticity factor for LE corals. It just freeks me out that no one cares anymore what's in their tank, just as long as it has some designer label.... anyone seen the latest "Couture RazzleDazzle Acropora"? Years ago, we used to pride ourselves in finding undescribed species of corals or rare corals, uncommon in the wild. I believe something has been lost somewhere along the way.......(Razzle Dazzle, now that's funny)
Quote - "FWIW our local stores generally avoid cheap SPS in favor of aquacultured pieces." - and so do I. I have about 100 or so different corals in my tank at the moment including frags, and I can say with confidence that at least 95% of them are aquacultured or maricultured including the live rock. It was a prerequisite for my tank and one of the original reasons I want to get involved with the club.
So anyway, again I wasn't trying to force a group buy, I wasn't trying to swindle anyone with wild coral frags, or fake LE Tyree ORA ATL etc. frags, or take over any political office, third world countries, etc.
I was trying to help out the club. And it backfired. For that I am sorry. Only thing I can say in my defense is... I am new to the club... I thought it would be a good idea... I thought that's what reef clubs do, find deals help each other out, etc. I wasn't expecting the "negative backlash" (politcally correct term for "bashing") But like Gramma said, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" .............. Lets move on shall we?
Q:Anyone ever keep an elegance coral successfully?
Quote - "This would seem to be a Group Buy, your intentions may indeed be honorable but before we can do a GB using the group name we have to run it by the Council first." - Never said it was going to be a group buy, didn't mean to imply one.......... again..........I promise.... no group buy.
Quote - "If he's going to donate some corals to the club COOL but then you mention a wholesale deal and getting people together for an order. " - Yes my mistake, I was trying to say if a few people wanted to get some corals with me I could do it for a deal..... getting tons of flak for that so I retacted it. It was a bad idea. Once again, no group buy.... I promise. No coral buys of any kind, it was a mistake. BUT HEY, WE'LL TAKE THE FREE STUFF......
Quote - "Hold the phone here I was only involved in this club for a few months and I controlled a group buy for critters and didn't get this kinda of flack., I realize that establishing a linage on a coral is one thing but still I think we are going a bit into the crazy zone here." - FWIW "Tanks"if I ever meet you I will thank you in person (you can have a coral too)
Not trying to start something again but I wonder if anyone knows what the scientific name of a Purple Monster is or a Bali tri-color.(Ok, Ok, I know we all do but). That is the true lineage IMO. I do understand the authenticity factor for LE corals. It just freeks me out that no one cares anymore what's in their tank, just as long as it has some designer label.... anyone seen the latest "Couture RazzleDazzle Acropora"? Years ago, we used to pride ourselves in finding undescribed species of corals or rare corals, uncommon in the wild. I believe something has been lost somewhere along the way.......(Razzle Dazzle, now that's funny)
Quote - "FWIW our local stores generally avoid cheap SPS in favor of aquacultured pieces." - and so do I. I have about 100 or so different corals in my tank at the moment including frags, and I can say with confidence that at least 95% of them are aquacultured or maricultured including the live rock. It was a prerequisite for my tank and one of the original reasons I want to get involved with the club.
So anyway, again I wasn't trying to force a group buy, I wasn't trying to swindle anyone with wild coral frags, or fake LE Tyree ORA ATL etc. frags, or take over any political office, third world countries, etc.
I was trying to help out the club. And it backfired. For that I am sorry. Only thing I can say in my defense is... I am new to the club... I thought it would be a good idea... I thought that's what reef clubs do, find deals help each other out, etc. I wasn't expecting the "negative backlash" (politcally correct term for "bashing") But like Gramma said, "Don't look a gift horse in the mouth" .............. Lets move on shall we?
Q:Anyone ever keep an elegance coral successfully?
LtPiper
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12014219#post12014219 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Tazbader
FWIW "Tanks"if I ever meet you I will thank you in person (you can have a coral too)
Thanks. I don't have much luck with SPS so......
This is an interesting point. If the coral has positively been identified by it's scientific name and has the papers to go with it but it can't be established that it originated from say the ATL line what's to say that it isn't the same coral but with a different linage. Maybe the original colony was split up before it got to Atlantis aquarium or possibly a second mother colony was harvested at a later time? It's possible.
I don't think anybody has in years.
Still it would be nice to be able to see what all there is available.
firefish2020
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Doubtful, most of that stuff is picked through in CA and sent to specific individuals for grow out, Tyree for one. In many instances, only after several years of growout in certain tanks under certain conditions do they color up the way they do, then they are fragged. The story of the Purple monster is a great one and it explains why such high price is placed upon it's head. LE coral are no different than a pure bread dog or cat, some muts are awesome but some want a real Boston terrier with the papers and those just cost a bit more.
phljess
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Originally posted by Tazbader
Q:Anyone ever keep an elegance coral successfully?
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I don't think anybody has in years.
Still it would be nice to be able to see what all there is available.
Yes they can be if your lucky enough to get one that has not been infected before you receive it. There are still some individuals that have recently acquired elegance and been able to keep them. However, it is still very risky and most of the elegance imported are believed to catch the disease in the holding tanks of coral wholesellers.
Q:Anyone ever keep an elegance coral successfully?
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I don't think anybody has in years.
Still it would be nice to be able to see what all there is available.
Yes they can be if your lucky enough to get one that has not been infected before you receive it. There are still some individuals that have recently acquired elegance and been able to keep them. However, it is still very risky and most of the elegance imported are believed to catch the disease in the holding tanks of coral wholesellers.
Tazbader
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I have had a few in the past and I found them very easy to care for. Before the days of the "mystery plague". Back then we did perch them on top of a rock, but that was to give them the most light we could. I had several including a red one that I raised up from a 4 inch piece till it took over a third of a 75 gallon tank, I donated it to the Columbus zoo when they used to have the big aquarium and they kept it beside a huge 18 inch gigas in a 500 gallon mixed reef. Last time I saw it it was probably just shy of a 2 footer - an awesome coral. I miss having one alot, they are truly one of the prettiest LPS out there. So I hear alot about the aussie purple elegance and how they seem to fair better as far as not having the "plague". The only place I've seen them available was through ATL but they want 150.00 for them plus shipping. So I think I am going to try another route.
On a side LPS note I did run by the shop in Ashland and I picked up a huuuuuge plate coral and an 9 inch fox coral. The fungia is literally nearly the size of a dinner plate when extended. The fox coral is riddled with babies which I will be fragging shortly. I'll try to get some photos up in the nxt day or so......
If anyone finds any info on elegance corals surfing around please let me know.............thx
On a side LPS note I did run by the shop in Ashland and I picked up a huuuuuge plate coral and an 9 inch fox coral. The fungia is literally nearly the size of a dinner plate when extended. The fox coral is riddled with babies which I will be fragging shortly. I'll try to get some photos up in the nxt day or so......
If anyone finds any info on elegance corals surfing around please let me know.............thx
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