Corals and there coloration

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Ok the question I have is do a coloration depend on the Kelvin rating of a bulb or is it always there and we just make it more pronounced with actinics,20k etc
What I'm basically asking is what will corals be if kept and grown under 6500k and 10k lighting no actinics
 
do a coloration depend on the Kelvin rating of a bulb

Yes, I believe so, but it is impossible to make a much more specific answer than that, because different corals and colors react differently to different spectrums. There are many other variables that play into it, as well, like duration, depth, intensity, etc.

what will corals be if kept and grown under 6500k and 10k lighting no actinics

Generally faster growing and less colorful, but...(see above)
 
Besides not much color in you corals the problem that you may have if only running 6500K or 10K is algae growth. You would see good coral growth under say a 10k with great intensity and a good lighting schedule but lackluster coloration.
 
Some folks reading this may be confusing color changes in a coral that relate to actual chemical changes in the coral itself due to lighting, and changes that are simply the way a single coral looks under different lighting scenarios.

Both can be important, but I've not seen convincing evidence that high k lighting drives color changes in corals that are not driven by lower k lighting of sufficient intensity. :)
 
Ok I do not keep any corals under those spectrum was making a new frag prop tank and wondering just growth and color from the bulbs I mentioned
 
differant coral has different color, different lighting brings out or highlights these colors. 65k are great for frag tanks when acro is fragged and you are wanting them to encrused the frag puck, then you move them to another tank with better lighting for health and color
 
Ok that was my basic question growth and color I was worried setting up this way that all frags would be big and healthy and brown out
 
I had originally written this in the NPS forum, though it may be somewhat helpful here as well. The question I was directly responding to was this: what might be responsible for the colouration of NPS corals, if not zooxanthellae?

I will speculate a little, though I do not know for certain.

Zooxanthellae certainly are responsible for a large percentage of photosynthetic coral colouration. It's right in the name - "xanth" comes from the Greek "xanthos," meaning golden or yellow. They produce a good deal of the golden brown colouration of many corals.

However, NPS corals generally don't have a lot of zooxanthellae...and are usually distinctly not brown.

Reds, oranges and yellows are some of the most common colours in NPS corals. Carotenoids are probably responsible for much of this colouration and definitely commonly found in corals.

Carotenes are one type of carotenoid. Most appear as varying shades of orange to our eyes. They are a photosynthetic pigment - they absorb blue light. Some carotenes are used as light-blockers - they can protect cells from too much near-UV light. I don't believe they are directly synthesized by any coral, but rather derived through diet. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that some zooxanthellae can produce them, though that's not directly germane to our discussion. These are also what give carrots and sweet potatoes their colour.

Another type of carotenoid is xanthophyll - basically a carotene that's been oxidized. These are generally yellow pigments...the yolk of an egg is coloured by xanthophylls. Also not synthesized, but very common in diatoms (and thus phytoplankton). They are also light-modulators.

Some xanthophylls and carotenes can be converted to retinol or retinal (Vitamin A), but I do not know if corals can create the enzyme required to do so. They are also great antioxidants.

Astaxanthin is another related pigment. Common in micro-algae, but not directly synthesized by corals, it can give pink, yellow, white and red colourations. It's the main component in giving farm raised salmon and shrimp their pink hue.

Melanins, porphyrins, pterines, flavonoids are also commonly found in coral. Melanins are certainly familiar to anyone who's been sunburnt - they do a good job protecting from overexposure to light and can impart browns and blacks.

Porphyrins and pterines are commonly purple and green. Flavonoids are yellow, as the name would suggest.

The last few I'm not particularly familiar with - we need a biochemist to wander over here and tell us more about them (and probably correct some of my mistakes with the carotenoids)!

Hope that helps!

David

EDIT: Beyond the dietarily-derived pigments, there is perhaps a genetic component to colouration. While corals that brood their offspring likely "seed" them with their own pigments before release, the broadcast spawners often produce offspring with very similar colouration to the parent corals. It's hard to rule out the environmental factors (again, diet) since we don't have a whole lot of data points with broadcast spawning corals, but if any of the pigments can be synthesized by the coral it seems likely a genetic component would come into play.

Also, do remember that many of these corals can be found right next to Acropora species, in full sun and shallow water. Just because they do not have zooxanthellae does not mean they are restricted to low-light zones - UV blocking pigments can be critical for zooxanthellate and azooxanthellate corals alike.

It also may be helpful to add that the term "pigments," which I used without explanation, refers to a chemical compound that reflects and absorbs certain portions of the light spectrum (which makes them coloured to our eyes). The portion of light they reflect is what we see them as - if a compound reflects only blue light, it will appear blue to us.

One final thought as well, on the short growing bushy Scleronephthya spp. - I have found that certain colour forms seem a good deal easier to keep than others. I've had specimens come in off the same shipment, same size, same growth form...but the yellow-orange ones seem to regularly fair far better in captivity (at least initially, I've never kept them truly long-term) than the purple or red individuals. If this is a common observation, it seems logical that the pigmentation is playing a much more important role than previously thought.

Carotenes certainly contribute to photosynthesis in terrestrial plants, though as energy transfer agents...not as principal conversion agents. It seems worth exploring if their role is somehow altered in coral. It would certainly explain why yellow-orange bushy Scleros fair better initially if they can gain even a small percentage of their energy needs from photosynthesis rather than strictly relying on what they can catch.

The point, and why it may be germane to this discussion, is that zooxanthellae play only one role in determining the colour of corals. Some of it, at least, is from dietarily-derived pigments. What role exactly these pigments play, I do not know. Some may be used to shade the coral, or expand the spectrum of light zooxanthellae can process. Some probably are used as vitamins. Their role as antioxidants is also likely important to photosynthetic corals. It seems logical that corals may regulate their concentrations in relation to the type and intensity of the light that reaches the coral, so they are not completely unrelated to lighting.

My point is that diet may impact colouration just as significantly as lighting - also, that it seems logical that the spectrum of light the coral receives may substantially alter their colouration as they concentrate or release UV-blocking and spectrum-shifting pigments.

This is not to say you cannot see good and healthy colouration under a 6.5K or 10K metal halide bulb...such a lamp still does produce some light in the same spectrum as actinic lamps, just not as much. The colonies can still be colourful - but they may be different colours than the same colony under different lighting conditions.
 
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No offense, but most of that has little to do with the coloration of corals, NP or otherwise.

First, just to be clear (and I think you understood this) zooxanthellae have little to do with the coloration of zooxanthellate corals. They can determine how brown a coral is, but don't contribute anything else to the coloration.

AFAIK, the only carotenoids known from any corals are those either produced by fungal infections or are found within the zooxanthellae. Precious coral was originally thought to get its coloration from carotenoids, but it was later determined that the color is from closely related polyenes.

Melanins are known in a few corals, but AFAIK only in immune responses rather than as primary pigments. Flavonoids are reported from only one species of coral. I don't know of any cases where porphyrins or pterines are reported as pigments in corals.

In shallow water corals, including azooxanthellate species, the colors come from fluorescent proteins and non-fluorescent chromoproteins produced by the coral itself. I don't know of any research suggesting that corals derive any appreciable amount of coloration from dietary pigments.
 
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