karimwassef
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Yes. I've read it! Good paper.
karimwassef
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Yes. I feed the macro and turf + bananas and coral food...
I wonder if the sugar in my bananas intensifies the bacterial population and feeds my sponges better.
My corals eat the bananas directly. Once the little fine banana fuzz starts floating around, they extend their tentacles. Same response as when I add macro or turf.
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I wonder if the sugar in my bananas intensifies the bacterial population and feeds my sponges better.
My corals eat the bananas directly. Once the little fine banana fuzz starts floating around, they extend their tentacles. Same response as when I add macro or turf.
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Nature is Complex
Nature is Complex
Most probably my computer ignorance of operating systems, but have not received ebooks yet.
The four point food web that Karim described is the complex chemistry micros biology and physics of our ecosystems. We put a man on the moon more than 50 years ago, yet we can not cure cancer.
When Ken Feldrman and other researches describes the "coral holibant", they view the eco system from a holistic point of view. On the reef their is "cross talk" between coral and cynobacteria. Randy Holmes Farley describes a autofeed back loop where cynobacteria process Calcium Phosphate on our rocks and absorb phosphate into their body mass.
I had a question about wheather crptic sponges would assist in keeping NPS.
I have a 30G mud macro refugium with an infestation of red planaria. In the past, whith lights out for three months they disappeared. In the past I have kept Sea Apples for two years and flame scallops alive for 18 months. It was my desire to emphasis filler feeders in the 75G Jaubert Plenum DT, especia NPS.
Nature is Complex
Most probably my computer ignorance of operating systems, but have not received ebooks yet.
The four point food web that Karim described is the complex chemistry micros biology and physics of our ecosystems. We put a man on the moon more than 50 years ago, yet we can not cure cancer.
When Ken Feldrman and other researches describes the "coral holibant", they view the eco system from a holistic point of view. On the reef their is "cross talk" between coral and cynobacteria. Randy Holmes Farley describes a autofeed back loop where cynobacteria process Calcium Phosphate on our rocks and absorb phosphate into their body mass.
I had a question about wheather crptic sponges would assist in keeping NPS.
I have a 30G mud macro refugium with an infestation of red planaria. In the past, whith lights out for three months they disappeared. In the past I have kept Sea Apples for two years and flame scallops alive for 18 months. It was my desire to emphasis filler feeders in the 75G Jaubert Plenum DT, especia NPS.
Steve Tyree
Premium Member
Subsea,
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NPS are the perfect filter feeder animals for the filter feeder zone. And that is where a lot of them are found. The transitional zone between light and dark zones. You need some type of photosynthetic animal to create the sugars DOC that are the primary food source for Darwin's Paradoxal Oceanic Reef system. Unless of course you just want to do a Cryptic or Twilight Zone.
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NPS are the perfect filter feeder animals for the filter feeder zone. And that is where a lot of them are found. The transitional zone between light and dark zones. You need some type of photosynthetic animal to create the sugars DOC that are the primary food source for Darwin's Paradoxal Oceanic Reef system. Unless of course you just want to do a Cryptic or Twilight Zone.
Steve Tyree
Premium Member
Karim,
Yes. Very possible sugar in banana is increasing the bacterial population. Or the organic matter coming off banana chunks is also promoting bacteria.
Yes. Very possible sugar in banana is increasing the bacterial population. Or the organic matter coming off banana chunks is also promoting bacteria.
Steve Tyree
Premium Member
Karim,
Oceanic reef waters are low in inorganic nutrients Nitrogen and Phosphate. The heavily filtered captive sps systems are now adding nitrogen and phosphate to promote growing coral. Those inorganic nutrients are taken up by the zooxanthellae.
Oceanic reef waters are low in inorganic nutrients Nitrogen and Phosphate. The heavily filtered captive sps systems are now adding nitrogen and phosphate to promote growing coral. Those inorganic nutrients are taken up by the zooxanthellae.
Outstanding research paper. Finally, I have substantiation for adding vinegar as a carbon source to my sumpless/skimmerless display macro lagoon tanks.
karimwassef
Active member
Yes! That's why I have no filtration at all anywhere. All open flow, no export, no media.
dz6t
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A paper about sponge and marine P cycle:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4394276/
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4394276/
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dz6t
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This is a review article that worth a read.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0966842X1500075X
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N2 gas is an export mechanism.
N2 gas is an export mechanism.
Free nitrogren gas as produced by faculatier bacteria acting in a low oxygen enviroment. saturate the water with N2 which is removed at the surface where nitron gas has a two way process between the ocean and the athmospher. acting in dynamicic equilibrium.
I really liked your point about the air needing to be in the right ratios of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide, which is often not the case in our homes.
N2 gas is an export mechanism.
Free nitrogren gas as produced by faculatier bacteria acting in a low oxygen enviroment. saturate the water with N2 which is removed at the surface where nitron gas has a two way process between the ocean and the athmospher. acting in dynamicic equilibrium.
I really liked your point about the air needing to be in the right ratios of oxygen, nitrogen and carbon dioxide, which is often not the case in our homes.
Elagance in Nature
Elagance in Nature
Thank you for the vision to apply these techniqes that rely on differrent componants in our eco systerms to be balanced. At 45 years in the hobby, I still get excited as I explore the depth of how nature works in its minute details. It is truely elegant.
Thank you for this inspiration.
Elagance in Nature
Thank you for the vision to apply these techniqes that rely on differrent componants in our eco systerms to be balanced. At 45 years in the hobby, I still get excited as I explore the depth of how nature works in its minute details. It is truely elegant.
Thank you for this inspiration.
karimwassef
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Hey subsea. I'm planning a 1500gal solar tank in Dallas. You have a 10,000 gal with greenhouse macro in Austin? What is that like? Want to drive up a few hours and help me out mine together?
I have read your thread and have made post. I find it extremely interesting. I am presently married to bringing an outside system on line of three 150G Rubbermade tanks buried in the ground. The last time I operated this system with live rock and coral during the winter, it broke the bank and I shut it down, I have decided to change inhabitants that can handle changing eviromental conditions. Going to the coast to collect green mollies and pods. I have already put 50 mixed mollies from my lagon propagation tanks inside into one tank outside that will have fish and Calurpa Prolifera. I have also found 5 species of pods at liveaquaria, between these aquacultured pods and wild caught at the Texas coast I hope to maintain diversity thru the winter months. When I operated the 10KG greenhouse system I circulated water from 10K system to tanks buried in ground for geothermal stability. During the months of July and August, that geothertmal stability cost $1000 each month in electricity. I used two 1HP fans during the hottest part of the day. Humidity was the lowest at this time promoting more effective evaporation. Main circulation was acomplished with a 2HP blower to move water and promote evaporation. Evaporation misters were supplied with a 1 HP centrifugal pump, Due to the summer heat gain, this was econominal unfeasible and I pulled the plug.
I would enjoy visiting, to see your systerms and your vision. In the short term, I don't have time. I will suscribe to your thread and contribute, if I can. I have learned to say I don't know enough but let us research it out. Hopefully, by spring, I will have stabalized this geothermal visit to allow me a few days away.
karimwassef
Active member
"During the months of July and August, that geothertmal stability cost $1000 each month in electricity."
does that mean that your blowers cost $1000 or that you saved that much in cooling cost? I would expect that geothermal should be more economical than the alternatives (HVAC, etc...)
I would expect 3HP to be ~ 2.25KW ~ $180 a month?
does that mean that your blowers cost $1000 or that you saved that much in cooling cost? I would expect that geothermal should be more economical than the alternatives (HVAC, etc...)
I would expect 3HP to be ~ 2.25KW ~ $180 a month?
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Steve Tyree
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Subsea,
Yeah we have a whole lot to learn. Some tools we needed were just invented this century. Cavecam. Etc. The big research in the sponge aspect of the reef dynamics have been done by a group in Amsterdam. Very impressed with their work. Was great to see some unbiased pure science. One of their interesting discoveries was the production of particulate matter from sponges. Basically shed sponge cells. Whole new dynamic to explore. Perfect sized particle for some pelagic copepods to eat.
Yeah we have a whole lot to learn. Some tools we needed were just invented this century. Cavecam. Etc. The big research in the sponge aspect of the reef dynamics have been done by a group in Amsterdam. Very impressed with their work. Was great to see some unbiased pure science. One of their interesting discoveries was the production of particulate matter from sponges. Basically shed sponge cells. Whole new dynamic to explore. Perfect sized particle for some pelagic copepods to eat.
Steve Tyree
Premium Member
Dz6t,
When it comes to sponges, you really need to define what type of sponge the subject matter is referring too. Sponges are found in almost all marine benthic biotopes. They are similar to corals. Some like light. Some dont. Some have symbionts. And these symbionts types can include just about every symbiont found in marine environments. And of course, when speaking about algae, one needs to define what type of algae you are referring too. I am harvesting the following algae as excess nutrient. Just pulled that little chunk out couple days ago.
When it comes to sponges, you really need to define what type of sponge the subject matter is referring too. Sponges are found in almost all marine benthic biotopes. They are similar to corals. Some like light. Some dont. Some have symbionts. And these symbionts types can include just about every symbiont found in marine environments. And of course, when speaking about algae, one needs to define what type of algae you are referring too. I am harvesting the following algae as excess nutrient. Just pulled that little chunk out couple days ago.
