Cryptocaryon Irritans - tank transfer method

[Art71]

I am sorry i have few more follow-up questions:

1. You are saying that "However, one strategy is to keep transferring them until the 63 (90 is not required) days has expired". I know that first 4 transfers are very important and has to be followed precisely. How about the ones after that? If decide to thru this route can i do there transfers say may be every 5-6 days depending on the water quality? I think this would be less stressful to the fish instead of doing it every 3 days. Is the 63 days really enough i read it somewhere that it needs to be minimum 73 days. I wanna be absolutely sure that i don't run into this problem again.

2. You are saying that "separate the fish into manageable groups." Can you please explain what a manageable group is in your opinion for this many fish? Would 3 x 20 gallon containers be enough? I have a 60 gallon mixing tank so i can easily make 60 gallons of water in one batch. This would be manageable for me but would the fish be ok?

Thanks

 

[snorvich]

I am sorry i have few more follow-up questions:

1. You are saying that "However, one strategy is to keep transferring them until the 63 (90 is not required) days has expired". I know that first 4 transfers are very important and has to be followed precisely. How about the ones after that?

Less so just be sensitive to ammonia

If decide to thru this route can i do there transfers say may be every 5-6 days depending on the water quality? I think this would be less stressful to the fish instead of doing it every 3 days.

For the first four transfers three days is critical and in fact ideally fish should be transferred on the morning of every fourth day. After that frequency is not critical. If you develop the skill of catching fish in tupperware, it is not really stressful for the fish.

Is the 63 days really enough i read it somewhere that it needs to be minimum 73 days. I wanna be absolutely sure that i don't run into this problem again.

I recommend 9 weeks (63 days)

2. You are saying that "separate the fish into manageable groups." Can you please explain what a manageable group is in your opinion for this many fish? Would 3 x 20 gallon containers be enough? I have a 60 gallon mixing tank so i can easily make 60 gallons of water in one batch. This would be manageable for me but would the fish be ok?

They should be

Thanks

 

[edgey]

Here is the scoop: if you want my help, do not ask me to tell you why something you read will not work. That ends up being an argument, which I simply have no interest in pursuing. But it will not. Raising tank temperature to that level with fish that have cryptocaryon irritans in their gills will reduce the amount of dissolved oxygen in the water making the fish have major problems. Beyond that, the temperature will NOT kill ich.

I think it's pretty well established that raising temp does not cure fish of saltwater ich. The fish would die before the ich did. Heating up fish is not what was considered. What was considered is this; after transferring fish, heat the water the fish were in to a certain temp and hold it long enough to kill tomonts, cool the water and use it for the next transfer.

So the tradeoff is using less saltwater for using more energy. Is it worth it? IDK, but is most certainly relevant to the TT method.

 

[snorvich]

So the tradeoff is using less saltwater for using more energy. Is it worth it? IDK, but is most certainly relevant to the TT method.

I would not recommend it, but it is your fish.

 

[yachtdr22]

:sad2:

Just finished TTM and my Hippo still has spots????

Just finished day 16. transferred swimmers back into the QT and still see spots on the Hippo??

Since I was using "Coolers" for tanks I could never see if the spots were falling off.

I was going to give them a few days and start Prazipro.

Thoughts? Ideas??

 

[snorvich]

Did you do the process exactly as written: 3 days, transfer the morning of day 4, dispose of water in first bucket/tank and clean, dry it. Then use fresh water to repeat on day 7? If not, where did you vary?

 

[yachtdr22]

Day 1 (5/11/12) Fish in
Day 4 (5/14/12) Swap fish @ 6:00am
Day 7 (5/17/12) Swap fish @ 7:00am
Day 10 (5/20/12) Swap Fish @ 6:00am
Day 13 (5/23/12) Final Swap @ 6:00am
Day 16 (5/26/12) Move to QT Tank..

Please double check my math?

Coolers were rinsed with fresh water between uses and air dries completely.
3 duplicate sets of PVC pieces were washed and dried as well as the air stone and heater?? 20gal of new water was used each time. all possible quarantine procedures were used.

 

[snorvich]

Day 1 (5/11/12) Fish in
Day 4 (5/14/12) Swap fish @ 6:00am
Day 7 (5/17/12) Swap fish @ 7:00am
Day 10 (5/20/12) Swap Fish @ 6:00am
Day 13 (5/23/12) Final Swap @ 6:00am
Day 16 (5/26/12) Move to QT Tank..

Please double check my math?

Coolers were rinsed with fresh water between uses and air dries completely.
3 duplicate sets of PVC pieces were washed and dried as well as the air stone and heater?? 20gal of new water was used each time. all possible quarantine procedures were used.

Sounds exactly correct. I have never had nor heard of a failure. Are you sure this is ich (cryptocaryon irritans). How did you transfer the fish? Any water from tank 1 to tank 2?

 

[snorvich]

Also, what temperature and specific gravity was used for the transfer sea water?

 

[yachtdr22]

Hi Steve,

I was a BAD man because I had to net the fish. Tried the Tupperware method, but it seemed to freak them out more.

The water temp was between 75' -78'
SG started @ 1.010 and has increased to 1.013 in the 16 days. I had matched the new waters SG & Temp. They are currently in the QT @ 78' & 1.013

They do look like ICH spots and will take a pic ... ???

 

[yachtdr22]

any ideas? I have the Pozi ready to dose, I was gonna give them a few days to get used to the QT?

 

[snorvich]

I do not see ich in those pictures but pictures are difficult to diagnose from. However I would not have recommended using low SG water in tank transfer. What is fish behavior?

 

[yachtdr22]

I do not see ich in those pictures but pictures are difficult to diagnose from. However I would not have recommended using low SG water in tank transfer. What is fish behavior?

Hi Steve,

Did I misunderstand post 67?

The fish are all eating well and seemingly normal behavior. I have not noticed the Hippo scratching...

Remember, these guys went to 1.009, spots fell off after first week and then showed up on week 5? Started TT after week 7 of hypo.

 

[yachtdr22]

i will try to take some better pics, but loose a lot of resolution going down in size to post?

 

[snorvich]

Hi Steve,

Did I misunderstand post 67?

The fish are all eating well and seemingly normal behavior. I have not noticed the Hippo scratching...

Remember, these guys went to 1.009, spots fell off after first week and then showed up on week 5? Started TT after week 7 of hypo.

Spots falling off in hypo means nothing as external symptoms is not how one diagnoses ich or lack thereof. With the pictures supplied, I simply cannot tell.

 

[yachtdr22]

do these help any?

 

[snorvich]

I do not see ich in any of those pictures. However pictures and real life are very different resolution.

 

[yachtdr22]

Hi Steve...
I have some pics now in drop box..
maybe these are better?


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n0ltp0xszl0u3pq/oc9fYZEOAY



https://www.dropbox.com/sh/n0ltp0xszl0u3pq/oc9fYZEOAY



thanks
Drew

 

[snorvich]

Drew, cryptocaryon irritans (ich) looks like a sprinkling of salt on a fish and I do not see that in any of your images. It would also be behaviorally characterized with flashing, hanging near overflows or at the surface.

 

[yachtdr22]

Hi Steve,

Thanks for the reply..
My intention was to treat with Prazipro after TTM when they were back up to 1.026. I think I will add Cupramine to the plan.

I am not sure I know what “Flashing” means, but the Hippo is hanging out by the overflow and the little white dots the size of a pinhead come and go. He seems to be his usual bullish self?

My choices are;
The QT was completely cleaned and filled with FRESH 1.013 water and WAS NOT seeded on 5/13 and was fallow until 5/26 when TTM completed. The QT is now up to 1.015
Do I wait until they are up to 1.026 to start Cupramine?
Do I seed the QT with a filterpad from DT? (with low sg?)
Can I dose Cupramine & Prazipro together?
I understand that Ammonia control will be done by water dosed with Cupramine.
Any other suggestions or ideas?