DARK's 210g on Polyp Labs System Reef-resh and Reef Roids

[clkwrk]

I don't know ........Do sps even need polyps to feed? My concern is for the tuliped polyps and extream swollen tissue including the polyps ...The last set of pics first pic shows the polyps slightly open this is more than they were in her tank on this piece. I feel extended polyps but yet closed up is weird and not documented in any zeo thread or any articles I have tried to hunt down .

Also per Eric Borneman corals tissue are only 2 layers thick . So that also leads me to believe there is an explaination good or bad . But where is the explanation ?Sounds logical IMO isn't good enough for me .

Who knows maybe the polyps are tuliped because it full and they are extended to blow of co2 ?? IMO the corals looked healthier before to me colors just needed some tweaking to her liking.

And then again maybe sps are suppose to look like that and I am seeing it for the first time.

 

[clkwrk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7569315#post7569315 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kirstenk
Where is the blue one?

Da forgot about it :lol:

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[kirstenk]

The table and the other one are just horrible examples and in no way show any indication of what is going on in my tank. Those corals have performed badly for me from the get go so I gave them to Chris.

My lights are out so I will snap a pic of the horrida tomorrow so we can compare.

Chris as long as your here, you might as well take another pic of the horrida from the same angle as the prior one. Thanks.

 

[kirstenk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7569341#post7569341 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clkwrk
Da forgot about it :lol:

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You post those two sickly corals (that have been sickly for awhile) and forget about the blue one? Are you really concerned?

 

[clkwrk]

ha ha the lil 1/2 inch 3/4 back in the tank doesn't photo as well. Also if you look at the polyps and flesh thats where I am focusing my discussion on. To me its abnormal. Yes I am concerned but others might say jealous I guess.

 

[clkwrk]

Normal polyps to me look like flowers not flowers in their bud stage.

 

[kirstenk]

I posted because I am looking for others with the same experience. Others who use the same products. None of them have piped in yet with the same thing going on so it doesn't seem fair to point the finger there. Not yet. Could be I dose too much for my tank so I have cut back. Could be Ozone + product. Could be my DBS. :lol:

.............like you would ever be jealous of my tank.

Hey............the blue looked better in the tupperware.

 

[kirstenk]

Well..........I found a pic of the horrida that I gave Chris. Here it is.

Chris, I downloaded the pics of the two corals you posted when they first went into your tank. I blew them up. I saw no Red Bugs? Did you put them thru Tropic Marine Pro Coral Cure. I did get your message that you found plenty.

 

[clkwrk]

Yeah I put them thru TMPCC only because yours have an immunity to interceptor and I don't want that kind :lol:

Here is a pic of the horrida post for the auction this clearly shows the tuliped polyps

 

[robthorn]

hey clk while that pic looks amazing you are correct in saying that looks abnormal because I am no authority I also think it looks abnormal. but as I said before it looks like there is too much tissue. it looks like it made enough tissue for an extra inch in length or something.
this could possibly be from overdosing but since I overdosed in my tank and these are nothing like what i saw in my tank as overdosing I am not really leaning towards that. could be what happens when you overdose a different part than I did because I think I only overdosed acids.
that blue one I think you called it looks really wierd. I do have a brownout coral that I bought that looks like it has a haze over it that I figured would be totally dead by now but it has been messed up since I bough it but it was a heck of a deal if it turned back around.
I didn't know you run ozone whether that has anything to do with it or not but they recommend to not run it because it kills the beneficial bacteria. I do not know of any other effects it may have good or bad.
hey clk I hope I am not coming across in a negative way I have the same intent here as you. figuring this out will only help us all in the future. problem is how hard it is to see everything else going on around the corals like the rock and glass and sand.
holy cow clk you have some serious flow going on in that thing 5 tunzes?

 

[King-Kong]

The first thing I noticed between your BEFORE and AFTER was the fact that you suddenly had a dozen+ snails visible in the AFTER shot.

Where were these snails in the BEFORE picture?

 

[DARKPHREAK]

I had ordered 100 snails, they went into the tank a few days after I took the first picture. Im down to about 60 now because of a nasty crab somewhere that I cant get out.

 

[kirstenk]

If these pics aren't welcome LMK and I will remove them so red x's show

I missed this so please remove these pics. Horrida 1. Table 1. Table 2 and RM Frag. One because you choose to omit the fact that the first set had been put thru a stressful treatment before you took them and two because the table and RM Frag have no bearing on this thread. The after pic of the small horrida can stay as I think the comparisome from my tank to yours is accurate.

My personal picture of the 2nd horrida that you posted (without permission) can stay as it does show the tulip effect nicely. I am going to take that piece and dip it in TMPPC to see what effect it has on the flesh/polyps. This might tell us something.

Yeah I put them thru TMPCC etc etc etc

You need to retract this statement. You have absolutely no proof/basis to write that statement as fact. I am dumbfounded as to why you said such a thing in a public forum and then laughed about it. Actually, you need to report the thread and statement to a moderator and ask that it be deleted. I am doing the same.

Chris, your a smart guy when it comes to reefing but all you have posted so far is how much better you feel these corals are doing in your tank. That tells me nothing. If you are really concerned then offer suggestions as others have done.

 

[glassbox-design]

what are your mag and K levels at? When dosing vodka and my own amino supp, we noticed simmilar polyps and swollen sac's within the tissue. I remember lowering the vodka dosage, adding some mag, and to be safe a poly filter It took care of the problem for us.

I wish i could be of more help. have any of the zeo guys experienced this?

eric&flint

 

[kirstenk]

Thanks Flint. I thought it might be K so I ordered some but it has not been enough time to see if a difference is to be seen.

My calcium and Mag levels have not been as stable as I would like. I have had drops to 380ppm and below for CA. Not quite so bad for MAG.

I have also cut my dosing schedule.

I sincerely appreciate your suggestions eric&flint.

I am on the tail end of my AA supplement. I would love to hear about yours. Pm me if you would like. Thanks!

 

[clkwrk]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7578082#post7578082 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by kirstenk
If these pics aren't welcome LMK and I will remove them so red x's show

I missed this so please remove these pics. Horrida 1. Table 1. Table 2 and RM Frag. One because you choose to omit the fact that the first set had been put thru a stressful treatment before you took them and two because the table and RM Frag have no bearing on this thread. The after pic of the small horrida can stay as I think the comparisome from my tank to yours is accurate.

My personal picture of the 2nd horrida that you posted (without permission) can stay as it does show the tulip effect nicely. I am going to take that piece and dip it in TMPPC to see what effect it has on the flesh/polyps. This might tell us something.

Yeah I put them thru TMPCC etc etc etc

You need to retract this statement. You have absolutely no proof/basis to write that statement as fact. I am dumbfounded as to why you said such a thing in a public forum and then laughed about it. Actually, you need to report the thread and statement to a moderator and ask that it be deleted. I am doing the same.

Chris, your a smart guy when it comes to reefing but all you have posted so far is how much better you feel these corals are doing in your tank. That tells me nothing. If you are really concerned then offer suggestions as others have done.

DOne........As far as the rest I never said they were doing so much better in my tank and I could care less how ugly they are I am focused on tissue and PE form . This is a concern for me as I have always though about using all these different systems wheatherits polyp labs, zeo or whatever. I only took real intrest in this because you are local to me ...I am in no way trying to damage your rep ,tanks rep or anything ......Hell , I have Redbugs, have seen monti nudis, had may still have acro eating flaworms and high nitrate. My tank is not perfect nor never will be . I will just leave it be with the final info I have dug up from emails to the pros and people writing online articles or publications about abnormal tissue and most point to a toxic reaction.They say anemones are a good indicator because they will swell beyond normal same true with ricordia.

As for the RB is has been said many times the RBs tend to develop an immunitiy to interceptor so based on that I don't trust anyones rb's except mine as I only treated my 120 2 times so if they do have an immunity they might possibly have less than yours or the next persons do to the fact you have interceptored way more than I have . No fact but theory that I am going to be wary of .

Everyone else sorry for derailing the thread........

DARKPHREAK- I will be keeping an eye out as your tank grows in .

 

[DARKPHREAK]

Well I guess I can now say that the purple monsters are dead... sorry for the poor pics

really brown but still has PE

Tips are deadish, I wonder if I should break all the dead tips off?

My Tri-Color and brown with green tips were completely unaffected from the stoppage of The System

 

[robthorn]

hey dark my tips did the same thing on a couple from overdosing. they are getting better and I cleaned off the ones that were still alive but broke off the dead tips. I am glad I caught it when I did I could be in the same boat with you. I only lost 1 coral totally I think.

 

[DARKPHREAK]

Rob,

Did you snap them off or use wiresnips for a cleaner cut? If you notice the 3rd pics shows alot of dead tips, should I take them all off at the same time?


Thx
James

 

[robthorn]

I used my fingers but it was only a brittle green birds nest. if you think yours is stronger than that I would cut them. it is a small piece but I did every tip on it at the same time.