dark sorry about the loses. I don't know why you would lose things when you stop because they shouldn't mask nutrients but remove them. if they turned brown we assume high nutrients but since you are no longer adding nutrients they shouldn't be so high. this is a wierd system and not as well thought out as I would like. overdosing by 2x has showed ill effects in my tank. and it appears others as well. maybe I should contact polyplab and discuss my findings and maybe everyone else should also. I don't want to buy a purple coral and just because I don't like someone's product and stop using it will turn everything brown. the corals wouldn't have turned brown in my tank before I started it shouldn't after I try it. I don't believe zeo does this unless the tank is foul. I think they should have been smart enough to make the droppers different sizes. makes you wonder if the did any of there own trials or just copied close to the zeo stuff and started selling it. at least zeo is honest enough to say if you overdose a small amount you will kill things. I will call brian at fins to see if he has had any drawbacks on his system.
DARK's 210g on Polyp Labs System Reef-resh and Reef Roids
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DARKPHREAK
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When I won the contest Polyp Labs held it was supposed to be and I quote "documenting his progress with his product over the next 10 or 12 months on our website." I assumed I'd be getting the product over those 10-12 months. Now my system was very new at that time but all levels where normal except for calcium which I dosed daily to keep above 420. At week 2 I did notice an improvement with color and PE, the purple monster were really deep purple. Week 3 I knew that I'd be needing more of the product so I emailed Polyp Labs explaining that I was running out and would be completely out around week 5-6. 2 weeks went by and I got an email saying, no, the contest was only for 1 kit and I'd have to buy more. If I would have known that I would not have dosed my tank in the first place! 1 Kit in my 450 gallon setup only lasts 5-6 weeks per their instructions so that's 180$ CAD per 5 weeks! Numerous emails/phone calls back and forth to see if I could get more of the product because I had won the contest, it was a negative. So I posted on a few boards where I had started threads that I stopped dosing and was noticing some ill effects. I got an email from PL asking why I had done that. I'm like " my tank is crashing because I had to stop because you wont provide anymore product" It was explained to me that the corals would revert to their natural colors because I wasnt providing them with System Reefresh anymore, that my tank was becoming a high nutrient tank and the corals would adjust. I test for everything and other then having 2-5ppm of nitrATE I see nothing wrong. Anyways Im happy that I STOPPED using this product and hope that one day I can be proud of my system once again.
PS I should have used some paragraphs
PSS I know that DAVE from Polyp Labs still reads this... heres a little message to you... I've lost 500$ of SPS because of your 180$ System...
PS I should have used some paragraphs
PSS I know that DAVE from Polyp Labs still reads this... heres a little message to you... I've lost 500$ of SPS because of your 180$ System...
Hendersonracing
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Re: DARK's 210g on Polyp Labs System Reef-resh and Reef Roids
what kind of pumps are in that tank? to move water around?
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7111787#post7111787 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DARKPHREAK
Just thought I'd share a few pics of my system which has been on Polyp Labs System Reef-resh for 4 weeks. The tank was setup early January with contents from my old 90g. As you can see from the first photo that was submitted to Polyp Labs for their "Not So Perfect" contest, the tank is a complete mess. Algae growing all over the rocks and overflows, no coraline algae growing and most of the frags lacked nice colors.
It is very easy to dose System Reef-resh, I add RF-Genesis/RF-Fuel in the morning and RF-Acids/RF-Plus at lights out. I'm on the 4th week of dosing and have noticed a great improvement in the reduction of nuisance algae and the increase in coraline. The corals have coloured very nicely and have great polyp extension, they are having a positive reaction to the System Reef-resh. I plan on using Polyp Labs System Reef-resh over the lifespan of my tank because I feel it can only improve the colour and growth of my corals.
This is the winning photo of the tank for the contest...
This is a before shot of an SPS
This is from week 3
This is from week 4
I will continue to post pictures of the growth and overall health of the corals. Questions or comments are welcome.
what kind of pumps are in that tank? to move water around?
DARKPHREAK
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Those are 2 x Tunze 6100 Streams on a Multi Controller, and Im using a Mag 12 as a return pump. I might add another 6100+ when things start to grow in.
hey dark there were some definate improvements in those pics so hopefully you don't get back to where you were in the beginning. I can't figure out why your nitrates are so high though.
for years I have run without detectable nitrates on 3 different brands of test kits. my tanks have never been stacked to the top with rock as yours isn't either and your sand bed seems to be about the same depth as mine maybe just over an inch or so. I use a euroreef skimmer but I have had tanks with skimmers that barely pulled anything out with the same results. now I have been through my share of algea but I just want to help to figure this out so you hopefully won't get exactly back to were you were. seems like you should have plenty of water flow and everything. you don't have alot of fish in this tank is there more water somewhere contributing to the waste load somehow? or is your make up water containing nitrates or more?
for years I have run without detectable nitrates on 3 different brands of test kits. my tanks have never been stacked to the top with rock as yours isn't either and your sand bed seems to be about the same depth as mine maybe just over an inch or so. I use a euroreef skimmer but I have had tanks with skimmers that barely pulled anything out with the same results. now I have been through my share of algea but I just want to help to figure this out so you hopefully won't get exactly back to were you were. seems like you should have plenty of water flow and everything. you don't have alot of fish in this tank is there more water somewhere contributing to the waste load somehow? or is your make up water containing nitrates or more?
kirsten that is a beautiful coral. I have seen this in my tank on a tenuis once a time ago and it was right when it first started showing growth as a new addition. this was way before I thought about any of the products we are discussing here. I did not have high nor low nutrients as we are now trying to achieve . my tank was average I think but no detectable nitrates or phosphates. it never hurt the coral it grew a funky lumpy tip on a couple only and then started growing normal. it almost appears as if the tissue is growing faster than it can make a skeleton. how high is your calcium? if it's below 450 maybe raising it slowly will help? I know they say calcium above 420 doesn't seem to speed up growth but it appears to myself and some others that it does in fact seem to speed up growth. maybe it doesn't but it sure seems that way. just a thought.
Hendersonracing
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SO THE TUNZE 6100 ARE SOME OF THE BEST? we are building a 210 would everyone recommend these pumps and are they adjustable on how much flow comes out....that seems like alot of flow for a 210?
DARKPHREAK
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Rob, I will admit to overfeeding my fish. Weird thing is that now that Ive stopped dosing, nitrATE is now 0-2 ppm. I'll reduce the amount of food I feed for the next few weeks and see if it drops althougether. I'll post some new pics later on so you can see the difference in how the corals now look.
Hendersonracing: For me you can beat a TUNZE Kit. When used with a multicontroler and magnets you can move the heads around anywhere you'd want them and have them produce the exact flow you want. I have mine set for 100% flow on pulse and theres not a dead spot in the tank. 6400 gal/h at max setting is ok for now on my tank.
Hendersonracing: For me you can beat a TUNZE Kit. When used with a multicontroler and magnets you can move the heads around anywhere you'd want them and have them produce the exact flow you want. I have mine set for 100% flow on pulse and theres not a dead spot in the tank. 6400 gal/h at max setting is ok for now on my tank.
henderson that isn't even considered high flow anymore. I had 2 6100's on my 180 with a barracuda filter pump. I still wanted a wavebox with it. I have 2 6000's on my 265 and it does near nothing. it is alot of flow but not near enough. I am debating between turning them into 6100's by simply changing the transformer for $72 each or adding 2 more 6000's and or a wavebox. crazy I know but it just doesn't ever seem to be enough.
with the 180 I made the 6100's make a 3/4 inch wave with the 7095 controller. I used interval 1 I think and a pretty short time that is specific to each tanks frequency.
with the 180 I made the 6100's make a 3/4 inch wave with the 7095 controller. I used interval 1 I think and a pretty short time that is specific to each tanks frequency.
kirstenk
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A cautious BINGO!!!
I have had trouble maintaining calcium and have had several drops below 400 in the past 2 months.
I have read on the SPS forum of similar tissue appearance when millies are in a growth spurt and some of mine look like what I saw over there.
I had never read about skeleton not being able to keep up but it certainly makes sense with my lower calcium levels. This would also explain the balloon effect of the polyp as it is emerging from fleasy tissue with not much skeleton to hold on to, or something like that.
ZEO boards recommend calcium to not drop below 410.
Other Acros in my tank, not growing, are not showing these signs.
If ya read my time line these symptoms appeared before I think a probiotic method could make a difference (but ya never know) I noticed before 4/17 as I posted a thread in the SPS forum asking for pics of tissue thinning thinking that may be what I was seeing and I mull things over quite a bit before posting for info.
I am going to drop my dosing to half, to be cautious, keep my calcium at 430-440 and move onward.
Ceretta..........Please note I never said I felt what I was seeing was a "bad thing" just something I have never seen or read about before.
As always...........time will tell.
However, as far as my LPS and Zoas, the addtional stripping of the nutrients in my tank, making my 400W lights extremely intense for them, I believe has caused their problems.
THANKS ROBERT!
kirsten I can only hope that is your problem this isn't something I have seen other than my one time and I have never read about it. I am only making this up as I go because it seems to me somewhat logical. how high is your alkalinity? if it is high it could be some cause as to your calcium dropping or you could just be using alot of calcium. how do you add calcium? if you do not use a reactor an easy way to up your calcium is to add calcium chloride aka kent turbo calcium . kent gets expensive so I use pella dow or pellet dow or something close to that. the pellets according to the manufacturer are cleaner than available flakes and withstand humidity a little better. dow is the company that bags and distributes it. I think sometimes can be found at pool stores or chemical suppliers can get it for you locally but it's like $25 for a 50 lb bag. this to me is better than kalk because it doesn't raise your alkalinity much if any. for alkalinity adjustments I use washing soda very slowly since it raises your ph for a while. but since we use acidic products anyway I figure a raise in ph won't hurt. if you have high ph use baking soda instead or a mixture of both if you want. if you have to have kalk also you can buy that by the 50lb bag for $25. make sure it is dead sea works limited out of isreal food grade.
I can find someone to ship it to you that I used to use until I found it locally if you want.
I can find someone to ship it to you that I used to use until I found it locally if you want.
clkwrk
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Kirsten those frags still look as they did in your tank . Polyps are still tuliped but the fleshyness has gone . On the horrida the PE is almost normal more so than the other 2 .........On the other hand both my alk and cal are lower than yours yet I have a good hanful of acros that show growth daily yet I have never had swollen polyps or the excessive fleshyness............I still think theres more to it ......Also why would scientists study the rate of calcification and say higher than normal ca levels don't increase growth but but increase precip
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I will also add for others that I have been visiting Kirsten's tank for sometime and IMHO I think things looked better before all this additives for the most part. Also IMO over 75% of the acros have these symptons and PE is less than before ( not necessary a bad thing now some colors show that didn't before.
Here is the horrida after going into the tank.
I will have a shot from today in a bit.
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I will also add for others that I have been visiting Kirsten's tank for sometime and IMHO I think things looked better before all this additives for the most part. Also IMO over 75% of the acros have these symptons and PE is less than before ( not necessary a bad thing now some colors show that didn't before.
Here is the horrida after going into the tank.
I will have a shot from today in a bit.
do sps get full and not need full polyp extension to feed? only trying to help not dictate. I am honest in saying I am only guessing what may or may not be. I do know some scientists have no clue. even ones that are extremely published but I will not name the one name that comes to mind that is single handedly reponsible for mass coral death in my tank and way over a hundred others on this board alone. I don't buy the scientist thing for a second sorry. alot of them read this thread and others and take info from them and use in articles. many will openly admit this.
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