Designer clowns... Why?

[DasCamel]

Pure bred dogs have an advantage, known temperament/traits to serve a specific function. But tend to agree, some of the cross breeds are ridiculous. I've rescued the last 4 dogs we've brought in, each one is its own unique character.

Anyway with fish it's getting a bit carried away with designer clowns.

 

[Mad_Reefer]

Looking at liveaquaria.com wysiwyg tonight, they have no clowns with regular bars and 17 listings for irregular bars, many of those are pairs. So they have no chance of getting my business on clown fish. My wife has to see the fish before buying them so I'm glad we have a LFS we like. They didn't have a big selection so we ended up with black ocellaris when I wanted orange. No biggie, I'm glad my wife has some interest in the tank so she gets to pick the fish.

 

[Breadman03]

Looking at liveaquaria.com wysiwyg tonight, they have no clowns with regular bars and 17 listings for irregular bars, many of those are pairs. So they have no chance of getting my business on clown fish. My wife has to see the fish before buying them so I'm glad we have a LFS we like. They didn't have a big selection so we ended up with black ocellaris when I wanted orange. No biggie, I'm glad my wife has some interest in the tank so she gets to pick the fish.

And that is why I just picked up a kole tang.

I really don't mind the designer clowns at all. I just don't like all the defects that tend to come from fishmillers.

 

[ThRoewer]

The difference between pure bred dogs and designer clowns is that pure bred dogs only have any value if they have the papers to back their lineage. Without papers they are worth no more than any random street mongrel.

You have the same with many Cichlids and Killifish where lineages are tracked down to particular stretches of rivers where the wild ancestors where collected and mixing lineages is highly frowned upon.

If tankbred clowns (natural & designer forms) would come with proper documentation I would have less problems with designer clowns...

 

[CoralsAddiction]

If tankbred clowns (natural & designer forms) would come with proper documentation I would have less problems with designer clowns...

I guess it's a good thing I saved this label for my pair #2 clowns

 

[gavinbree]

It's not much different to what happened with goldfish, people love to mess around with genetics and mutations.

I prey we never see balloon clowns or fantail clowns :S

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[SeaCucumberFan]

I pray for a neotenic reef safe dragon wrasse, saltwater axolotls, sea horses that eat pellets, freshwater jellyfish, reef-safe frogfish, and friendly damsels. Oh and reef-safe crabs and of course designer sea apples.

 

[ThRoewer]

I pray for a neotenic reef safe dragon wrasse, saltwater axolotls, sea horses that eat pellets, freshwater jellyfish, reef-safe frogfish, and friendly damsels. Oh and reef-safe crabs and of course designer sea apples.

... sea horses that eat pellets,...
I never tried to feed seahorses pellets, but I don't think this requires special breeds. My pipefish go by now after everything I toss into the tank and that the other fish eat. I may try pellets next time...

... freshwater jellyfish,...
There is at least one freshwater jellyfish: Craspedacusta sowerbii

... reef-safe frogfish,...
What's not reef safe about them? They don't harm corals or any sessile inverts which is basically the definition of "reef safe".
They are not fish or shrimp safe, but that's a different story.

... friendly damsels. ...
My damsels are very friendly. Every time they see me they come to greet me and are excited about the food I give them.

... reef-safe crabs ...
Plenty of those around...

 

[SeaCucumberFan]

... sea horses that eat pellets,...
I never tried to feed seahorses pellets, but I don't think this requires special breeds. My pipefish go by now after everything I toss into the tank and that the other fish eat. I may try pellets next time...

... freshwater jellyfish,...
There is at least one freshwater jellyfish: Craspedacusta sowerbii

... reef-safe frogfish,...
What's not reef safe about them? They don't harm corals or any sessile inverts which is basically the definition of "reef safe".
They are not fish or shrimp safe, but that's a different story.

... friendly damsels. ...
My damsels are very friendly. Every time they see me they come to greet me and are excited about the food I give them.

... reef-safe crabs ...
Plenty of those around...

Ooh I hope I can train pipe fish to eat pellets.

But I've never heard of them as pets.

I heard they eat shrimp. I also mean fish safe.

I mean they are not aggressive and territorial.

I mean COMPLETELY reef safe crabs that will also not eat fish.

What about the other ones?

 

[joshky]

It's not much different to what happened with goldfish, people love to mess around with genetics and mutations.

I prey we never see balloon clowns or fantail clowns :S

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:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Unfortunately this isn't that far off, there's already longfins out there. This is the only thing that makes me sick about "designer clowns", I'm really open minded to different color patterns but this is too far.

 

[gavinbree]

Meh that's ridiculous, besides clowns can barely swim as it is, seems quite cruel.

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[homer1475]

My LFS has a pair of those long finned ones, just ridiculous and pretty ugly. IMO

I'm ok with calling different patterns a different thing(I would bet that somewhere out in the ocean you'll find most of those patterns already), but a mutation like that shouldn't be allowed.

 

[SeaCucumberFan]

I agree with being ok about different colors but I also think that small modifications to fins and other things are ok. But that is just too far.

 

[aaronwitt]

I'm definitely not a fan of these designer clowns. A normal pair of ocellaris as nature intended are my preferred

 

[OrionN]

The difference between pure bred dogs and designer clowns is that pure bred dogs only have any value if they have the papers to back their lineage. Without papers they are worth no more than any random street mongrel.

You have the same with many Cichlids and Killifish where lineages are tracked down to particular stretches of rivers where the wild ancestors where collected and mixing lineages is highly frowned upon.

If tank bred clowns (natural & designer forms) would come with proper documentation I would have less problems with designer clowns...

Why would a piece of paper make an animal worth more than other. That is just plain silly. I used to feel the same when I was younger. My dog have to have paper. I refuse to buy an orchid unless it have a "name".
One day it occurred to me how silly this was and I have not think the same since. Silly as it may sound, there are quite a few people feel the same as ThRoewer. If I am a serious breeder and want to sell my fish I better give my fish some tracking information, even if it I recognized that anybody up and down the line can just make up and put something on the paper because it is important to some people.
CoralsAddiction: your label is just about as unreliable. How hard is it to keep tract of individual animals when they get mixed up from various sources at the wholesalers. It is pretty near impossible.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

CoralsAddiction: your label is just about as unreliable. How hard is it to keep tract of individual animals when they get mixed up from various sources at the wholesalers. It is pretty near impossible.

I don't know. You should ask the people at QM who put in their time to do it and ask them why they do it. I'm pretty sure there's a reason for it and a heavy wholesale price tag they were shipped to my LFS for.
To me it's chain of custody and knowing where it came from instead of playing a guessing game. But in the end who cares. I was really just joking with ThRower and his comment about papers. Didn't really think anyone here would take it seriously anyway. Not sure why you did. It's not like I'm trying to sell their babies for a zillion dollars.

 

[DasCamel]

Not all dog breeds are purchased for the paper, in many cases specific traits are what's needed. For a hunter, retrieval instinct, water friendly coat and ability to swim is huge. For a police force, look for traits German Shepards possess. Guide dogs are another example, specific breeds are used for a reason, function beyond the aesthetics.

That being said, paying thousands for just a piece of paper is dumb. Also cruel to all the dogs that need a good home. For a job, completely different story.

 

[CoralsAddiction]

Can we stop the dog comparison? It's neither relevant nor fair. I have two dogs that I love. Both are registered with AKC. One of them came from a sire aka "dad" that's a show dog champion. The sire's owner travels thousands of miles year round, pays for hotel rooms and show fees to show his dog. He enjoys doing it and he doesn't do it for the money. He breeds one litter every two or three years...not like a puppy mill or back yard breeder. To say that his effort or passion is plain stupid is well...plain stupid.

 

[Irishdolphin]

:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Unfortunately this isn't that far off, there's already longfins out there. This is the only thing that makes me sick about "designer clowns", I'm really open minded to different color patterns but this is too far.

Not all hybrids are bad!

 

[Dashiki]

Wild caught clownfish are hard to find by now and I refuse to buy captive bred because because it's impossible to tell what kind of mix they are.

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You refuse to buy captive bred fish and prefer to take them from the reef? This makes zero sense. The goal for this hobby should always be to purchase the sustainable option so we are not causing additional harm to the environment.

Who cares what the lineage is of your fish. Ora sells regular looking clowns I'm sure they aren't different than wild caught in your tank.