Didn't want to hijack the seahorse eat thread

acroboy

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Another excellent food which has been mentioned, but for themselves as a whole is grass shrimp but, When I collect them there are billions of females loaded with eggs. I take a few home and the seahorses and pipe fish strip the underbelly clean. They know what the shrimp look like when they are carrying and the go straight for the belly. Because the pipefish have smaller mouths it looks like they are eating grapes from the vine.


Again these are marine grass shrimp who can not survive in freshwater.
 
thanks for starting a new thread acroboy

yes I have observed what you speak of in the SH tank, the pipes go for the bellies to get the eggs

also, I got your description of the holding pen, but how do you view it, and please dont tell me that you get in the water every day to check on your "tank:, because I'll get very jelous :)

thanks

Jose
 
actually nature takes its course. Some seahorses are lost which is ok because all are native to my area. before the weather changes I take'em in.
 
I'm lost, help me out.

You keep seahorses in a pen in the ocean and transfer them back and forth between your tanks and the ocean. Am I right?
 
What steps do you take to reconcile the dangers to your local ecosystem by your actions?

Unless huge precautions are being made then you are likely infectiong your waters with bacteria's and pathogens not native to your environement. If you are taking these precautions, I would like to see what you are doing. If your not taking any steps, you could be responsible for killing thousands of lifeforms. Perhaps more.

I'm sure since you have 25 years of experience you are doing something, I just think that information needs to be included in this thread so people do not get false impressions.

I do know that in California where I am from you would be arrested for doing such actions. Does New York not have the same laws?
 
Wow, Simmer down there. I've been working with our native seahorses since 1982 and they were all caught here and are all native. nothing foreign has ever been introduced here.

So what your saying is you could be arrested for releasing specimens you caught??


If seahorses are contained and feed foods from their area there is no reason they cant be brought to an open area for summer. especially when no other animals are mixd with them.

As a matter of fact I'm a little offended with that holier than thou attitude. I am involved with marine conservation in every aspec and am involved with the Department of Environmental Conservation.
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8414598#post8414598 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by pledosophy
. If you are taking these precautions, I would like to see what you are doing.

Wow, Simmer down there. I've been working with our native seahorses since 1982 and they were all caught here and are all native. nothing foreign has ever been introduced here.

I'm sorry, I am not trying to be rude, maybe just a bit direct.

I think it is important for people who come to this forum to understand the details involved with this type of setup and not fall under the false impression that taking things from there own system and putting the in the ocean is acceptable. Such actions can decimate ecosystems and cost the government and commerce millions of dollars.

I really would love for your to outline your system and include the steps you take so others may learn from your 24 years of experience in dealing with seahorses.

What species are you working with?

Again sorry to come off as mad, just a bit shocked at first. I'm sure with your experience you can appreciate the initial response when reading such on a hobbyist website.
 
Seems you have edited your post while I was posting.

So what your saying is you could be arrested for releasing specimens you caught??

Yup. Once they enter a home aquarium system they are exposed to things that are not present to there environment. Placing them back into there environment while carrying these pathogens, bacteria's, etc, can wipe out an ecosystem so it is illegal.

If seahorses are contained and feed foods from their area there is no reason they cant be brought to an open area for summer. especially when no other animals are mixd with them.

Depends a lot on how your system is setup, which is why I asked if you could outline it for us so we may learn from it. :D
 
I guess thats the main difference. I even use the water for housing the until it gets realy cold. The D.E.C. didn't seem to mind especialy since I have worked with them on evironmental conservation shows where we released them together.
 
Laws and positions on this practice are going to be different everywhere, fortunately or unfortunately. California may take the stance that you are introducing nonnative disease causing organisms, but Florida takes the position for collection certs (several, but not all of them) that you cannot release collected fish that have been treated or exposed to chemical treatment for disease.

The reasoning is that they do not want these compounds to be in the ecosystem, or the food chain, and work their way into edible fish species, and then people. It makes sense, as most fish therapeutics are not exactly FDA approved. :)

I like the idea that you have of keeping them outdoors during good weather and indoors during the cold seasons. Northern H. erectus, your natives, must be pretty interesting to work with. Are they having pelagic (floating) fry? Or benthic (clinging) fry? I'd be interested to know.

Back to those killies.. I wonder if they are pit layers or brooders or any sort. Or if they just spray their eggs into the plant thickets. And.. there is the question of what species they are / might be. :)

>Sarah
 
Jus found this thread. So, acroboy, do you have a nice comfy couch by your pen?

It dosn't sound like you are at risk of introducing anything foreign into your local waters. Laws on releasing wildlife can by funny though. Years ago when I was living with my folks on the farm, we looked at hatching and releasing pheasants. Nothing exotic, just the same birds found locally. We found out that permits were needed to do this and they were hard to come by. Releasing without approval was stricktly verboten.

Again, if you are releasing with the knowledge of the local conservation folks, I suspect you are just fine. ;)

I wish I had your access to local salt water. Might actually encourage me to try cold water diving.

My personal thoughts on foods and feeding are that you need variety and you need live.

In my fresh water days, I used to feed a combination to any fish I kept. I once recieved a 'best in class' award at a local fish show for a giant danio. For those not fimiliar with fish shows, commoners like danios never win awards. The judges commented that they had never seen such good colour or active behavior from a danio at a show. It was the food. Simple as that.

In my case I added a 40 gallon refugium to my 40 gallon tank because I wanted enough supplemental live food to keep my horses in good breeding condition.

I think that live food is important for more than just the HUFFAs. Dead stuff breaks down. Though I have no data to back me up, I believe that there is more in live food than just huffas that fish need. There must be amino acids, vitamins and other good stuff that breaks down in frozen foods.

To me, a few live guppies would be better than no live food at all.

Great topic by the way!

Fred
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8415367#post8415367 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Samala
Northern H. erectus, your natives, must be pretty interesting to work with. Are they having pelagic (floating) fry? Or benthic (clinging) fry? I'd be interested to know.

The H. erectus up here have planktonic fry. They float to the top and raft up unless you set up some kind of kriesel tank. BTW large adults will eat the entire grass shrimp :D
 
I need to explain one thing. In 1999 I supply a seahorse breeding program with many of H Erectus for release. I started working with H Erectus in 1983 (edit - sorry thats 1982, the year my family got its boat) on my own as a hobbiest. Till this day I do not get involved with Seahorses for business. Know one has seen the decline of seahorses like I have. Until the earlt ninties I would be able to catch 60 H. Erectus in an hour with my friends in a space that was a few hundred feet wide. I have devoted years absurving this species. When there was no such thing as www dot anything. I have brought many people in the business end of this Industry collecting with me eho were amazed. There are many things about these sea horses that people dont realise.

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Anyone have an Idea of a temprange where these sea horses live???

I'm sure 1 or 2 people may know.
 
I also keep other native fish with the horses that stay in all year. I keep naked gobies which are always located around the horses and cardinal fiah wich are gulstream
native, They dont bother the horses just grab a grass shrimp or two and go on their way.

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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8417175#post8417175 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by acroboy


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Anyone have an Idea of a temprange where these sea horses live???

I'm sure 1 or 2 people may know.

Erectus as a species can range from 55F to 92F (low tide not average temp) however many are not convince the northern erectus are the same as the more southern erectus snce they have many different distinguishing traits, including pelagic fry, as well as snout length, and some variations on the cornet.

When raising several species of pelagic fry many have found that kriesels are not needed to prevent floaters, and floating horses are actually thought to be for nutrition issues. Efforts to decompress the fry have worked with temporary succsess however the floaters still usually do not make it. I do not know of anyone who has tried with the Northern Erectus.

Curious what you are using for first foods. Some pelagic fry require smaller starter foods, what is your experience?
 
acroboy, forgive pledosophy after all people from california are that way(before you think of something back to say to me pledosophy, read your own comments, they were condesenting, offensive, demining...just plain insulting, I got what acroboy meant, and I was happy for him, I got kind of hot under the collar, after reading your comments, so you think you are hollier than him/us? )


but I'm still Jelous of that set up, a holding pen, I picture it to be like the old flipper show, hey you know what, you got the biggest tank ever...kind of, what is it a few million gallons, no water changes and free food AAHHHHHH, now I am really jealous :) :)

Jose
 
Expand that range to 43 deg. and feeding. I brought Bob Stark from ESV with me one spring and he was amazed that they were there at those temps and active. I didn't come back here to cause trouble. I wish people would get out beyond a text book. 24 years in the feild on my own there is so much more to learn from being there, and things that text books don't teach for reasons that invove commericial conflicts. Books are there for being guides nit bibles. There are books out there that are great for collectors but many people dont know about them because collectors are big DIY guys and that doesn't generate cash.

I dont have images of the net now as they are all in the two of my tanks in may garage. It is just a PVC square 4'x4'x4' wrapped in 1/4 inch sein netting, Simple I think the aquaculter place in florida sells a box net that you can construck a PVC box for. Anyway after a few monthsit is completly overgrown with sponge, star tunicates, plants but still has good flow and is loaded with "bugs". They have a field day.
 
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well acroboy, that makes me be on your side even more

when I started my SH tank, I asked aroud my local LFS and local fish club, they all said "SH are to hard, very few people are suscesfull, dont waste your money" blah blah blah blah, so I did it on my own, got some research done, over did my tank and now all those people that said it was to difficult are singing a diferent tune.

yeah books can be good guides but not the rule, the rule is listen to the guy on the ground he/she is doing the work and know the lay out, but as you pointed out, if it doesn't make money, very few people listen...so sad

keep up the good job

Jose
 
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