dino experiment

So I yanked out my refugium from my sump and completely cleaned it out...oh man was there a lot of detritus settled down there. Started dosing again accordingly. My lights are on for 6 hours a day and I did not do the 3 day black out that I did previously. I've noticed that the dino's definitely decline during treatment. Every couple of days I makes sure to suck out dead algae. I've noticed that the dino's mostly grab onto the hair algae I have. But as it dies off I suck out more and more and less and less show up. For not doing too much work, I've noticed some serious improvement. I think it didn't work completely last time was because I had a GIANT amount of chaeto in my sump that I feel was inhibiting the algae x to work against the nuisance algae. I'm going to install a filter sock and start blowing loose the dead algae as well as sucking up dead areas I see.

I am not doing water changes, when I say suck out the dead algae, I suck it up into a turkey baster and then blow the water through a filter (currently its a fish net) so that the algae gets caught but the water returns to the tank..not having to add new water. I will be starting to blow it into a filter sock (felt) to catch all pieces of dead algae and the water will return to the tank once again not needing to add new water (algae fuel).

I believe I'm on my 4th dose tonight so 8 days. I also added a bunch of hermit crabs to eat dead algae...hermits dont seem to be effected by dinos like snails...especially all my expensive nerith snails.

I'll definitely say that using algae x is definitely less stressful than other methods I have tried. The only coral that seems a little fussy is my appleberry monti, besides that coral everything is doing just fine including other montiporas. The fact that I can leave the lights on for 6 hours a day and still see the algae receding is a huge victory in my book. In previous efforts it seemed like an hour of light would completely bring back heavy infestation.

Will continue to post my progress/regression as I see it unfold.

I dont have these anymore because I restarted afresh. But it was such an ordeal that I am still subscribed to this thread simply because I am wishing you would succeed in beating them. :hammer:

I hope you and the other guys with Dinos in their tanks long term success!

Happy New Year to you all.
 
sahin, I'm very close to deciding on a complete restart myself. Did you re-use any of your rock, remaining coral, fish, etc? Or did you restart with 100% new everything? What was your process of cleaning everything before you restarted?

I thought I had them beat for a while until they recently came back. Snails started dropping to the sand bed unable to move. I just hate the thought of restarting only to have another outbreak.
 
sahin, I'm very close to deciding on a complete restart myself. Did you re-use any of your rock, remaining coral, fish, etc? Or did you restart with 100% new everything? What was your process of cleaning everything before you restarted?

I thought I had them beat for a while until they recently came back. Snails started dropping to the sand bed unable to move. I just hate the thought of restarting only to have another outbreak.

I did restart my tank and got them again. New rock, new sand, new water but transferred over my corals and fish to the new system.

I would suggest all new rock, sand, etc. but if using the same tank. Completely wipe it clean, including your sump. If you reuse any rock, make sure you give a good 2 week no lights, or completely dry it out. When I restarted the tank, I didn't completely clean out the tank and sump and equipment and some strain somehow made it though again. They didn't show up for a few months, but around month 6 I could see some bubbles and just hoped they were normal bubbles. Then the stings appeared....
 
sahin, I'm very close to deciding on a complete restart myself. Did you re-use any of your rock, remaining coral, fish, etc? Or did you restart with 100% new everything? What was your process of cleaning everything before you restarted?

I thought I had them beat for a while until they recently came back. Snails started dropping to the sand bed unable to move. I just hate the thought of restarting only to have another outbreak.

I had two different kinds of Dinos . I viewed them under the microscope to confirm this each time I had Dinos.

Anyway, the first time I got them, I got rid of the rocks. My LFS took them for free and put them in his fish only tank sump which is dark.

The tank was reset with 100% new corals, rocks, fishes and water; I even clean teh tank and run bleach water through the whole tank to clean the overflow and piping areas. Man I sold my two blue Maxima clams to my LFS...I grew them from tiny clams to 5inch+

The 2nd time I used Marco Key Largo rocks. This time round I put most of the rocks in storage for future use, and retained a bit less than half for my tank use.

I poured Hydrogen Peroxide over the badly affected areas and use a spray bottle with the mist function to spray the Dinos with Peroxide directly.

I then put the Marco rocks in bucket with a powerhead and poured nearly half a bottle of Ultra Algae X.

I then left the whole thing in the dark for a few weeks (I think it was about 3-4weeks) and changed 100% water a few times.

When I got the rocks out, all the Dinos had died away and I was left with clean rocks.

These rocks have been in my again reset tank for over 3 months with lighting and so far no problems.

Oh, the tank itself, I cleaned everything out with Vinegar and tap water to kill everything.

What I can tell you though is that if you want to avoid a whole cycle etc, new rocks etc etc, get rid of your corals. Use a temp 40 breeder or something to keep your fish. Or give them away as well.

Now run the tank in the dark for 2 months. I mean complete dark. Dose some bacteria and add a few flakes to the tank to keep the biological filtration up. Add Peroxide at a high dose for one week. Then add the Ultra algae X for 2 weeks.

With a lengthy dark period all the Dinos will die as they did for me.

The thing is, I'd rather do that then having to go through a whole years worth of tank cycle. I'd rather have an established mature tank.

I did restart my tank and got them again. New rock, new sand, new water but transferred over my corals and fish to the new system.

I would suggest all new rock, sand, etc. but if using the same tank. Completely wipe it clean, including your sump. If you reuse any rock, make sure you give a good 2 week no lights, or completely dry it out. When I restarted the tank, I didn't completely clean out the tank and sump and equipment and some strain somehow made it though again. They didn't show up for a few months, but around month 6 I could see some bubbles and just hoped they were normal bubbles. Then the stings appeared....

Yup, completely wash out the tank and equipment.

The thing is, I didnt even have the same species of Dinos either time. And used new everything and wash the tank in bleach and still ended up with Dinos. So there is no guarantee that a complete reset will cure your problem. Theoretically it should; but it didnt work in my case which is very unlucky for me.

When I used the Marco Key Largo rocks, I acid washed the rocks and had a barebottom tank. So there is NO question of excess nutrients. I got less than 0.01ppm on my Hanna Phosphate meter. I know it wasnt nutrients.

In my opinion, it was a simple case of a bacterial imbalance in the system. With the dark period, you help shift the nutrient utilization to your ordinary bacteria, rather than Dinos using the nutrients. A bit like Rock Cooking.

Good luck guys. Happy new year.
 
Update...

I took a break of dosing. Dino's are still there a little bit but not really. I had a couple SPS corals affected but then I found out my alk was at 6 dKh so I blame that. I installed a felt filter sock on the tank and see a bunch of nastiness collected already so its doing its job. I feel like another 3-4 day lights out period with dosing would do some serious damage to the remaining dino. I'll probably do a large water change tomorrow, change out the filter sock and dose tomorrow night and do a 3-4 day lights out. I'm so close....
 
I have not heard of it being safe for clams yet.

I am once again so close. I have my actinics on for 8 hours and my main lights on for 7 hours. after day 2 of close to full light schedule I can see little patches of it here and there. I just blow it off with a turkey baster and hope it just get removed by the filter sock. i may start sucking it out as opposed to blowing it off. I stopped dosing a few days ago before the ramped up light schedule. I'm going to see how this week goes and see if they start coming back at all. If so, I'm going to dose again, but this time turn my skimmer off and see what happens. The directions say skim heavy, but now that I have a felt filter sock on my drain I may be able to turn my skimmer off so it doesnt skim out the medication.

Corals seem to be doing ok, a few of my monti's have some dead spots, but I more attribute that to my alk dropping below 6 for a little bit (my bad). Rest of my sps are doing fine, a little polyp detraction and loss of color due to lower light schedule but living. soooooooooo close to being able to enjoy my reef tank again. Its probably been close to two years battling dinos, if I can get rid of them normal maintenance will be a walk in the park.
 
Well I ordered the algae x but haven't needed to try it since I went 3 days with no lights.
Dinos haven't come back yet. Lights have been back on for five days. We will see what happens now.
 
Well I ordered the algae x but haven't needed to try it since I went 3 days with no lights.
Dinos haven't come back yet. Lights have been back on for five days. We will see what happens now.

Consider yourself lucky. A single 3 day lights out for cure is a miracle.
 
I'm pretty sure I beat them finally. I did a large water change yesterday and after 8 hours of light I see zero signs of them anywhere. This is unbelievable. Here's what finally worked.

Siphon visible dinos from display through a felt filter sock in sump so no water replacement is needed.
5 days no lights (wrapped tank so absolutely no light)
Dosed as should every other day.
Skimmed a little wetter and changed floss filter sock every other day.

I did have some corals die and others are in shock. Hopefully they make a full recovery. I believe that if you do a straight 5 day no light period from the start and don't mess around with a prolonged light reduction you will be fine. I also had a massive alk drop right before the 5 day lights out so the corals that died were in terrible shape before the lights out. The couple corals that I cared about have not died so I am not upset about the ones that died. I'm happy to have no more dino's and the opportunity to restock my tank.
 
Hope you will stay dyno free. I beat them twice and they reappeared a week ago. This time I closed the lights at the first sign. after 3 days complete dark I start opening the lights 1 hr each day. It has been a week I am at 7 hr per day and no signs of dyno so far. 5 days more I will be back to normal light period. We will see what happens.
 
I'm not seeing any and today was the first day of 8 hour halides/9 hour actinic. Past few days have been 7 hours halides/9 hour actinic from my experience with them, I'd see them by now.
 
Im not sure if you made the move to a kalk dose with auto top off yet to keep your ph up.(highly recommend that for you)! Did you think of adding a refugeum to your sump? Having a competing algae helps
 
Im going to start dripping kalk, but more for alk/cal purposes. I had a refugium when the breakout began. I ended up stripping it and completely cleaning out my sump when treating against dino. I think that step made a big difference. Since I no longer see it, I added some chaeto back to my sump to start growing it out again.

Surprisingly, I put a small chunk of chaeto in a tupperware container with water inside a cupboard to put back in when it was gone. It survived with no light and same amount of water for over a month. I found that pretty crazy.
 
Yeah they can take a beating! I think the addition of kalk will really help! Ever since adding that to my system via kalk additions from auto top off reservoir, things changed for the better. I also started to dose vinegar. Keeping my nitrates in check.. Very happy with the results... Also I have a one day a week lights off period (cloudy day) which has helped a great deal with algae/bacteria blooms
 
t4 it must be in the water. Im just up the road from you. After 12 years of none I have them. Not to bad but killing my birdsnest and a couple other small frags. I did 3 days no lights, didn't kill all the cyano, but dynos got a bit stronger after lights on 4th day. Running rox carbon, and gfo through a reactor. I just pulled 2 gallons of bioballs out of my sump 4 handfulls at a time over a 3 week period. I put new ati bulbs in, and reduced the photo period as to not fry my corals. i have added a maxi jet and an mp10 in the last month for more flow. this is when I started to get dynos. im turkey basting. I also have been adding microbactor7 a tbs every 4 or 5 days. my water is crystal clear and my last hana check was po4 at .06.
I was thinking I would suck all crushed coral out and replace with some special grade. Its 13 years old. I also have a rubbermaid 150 stock tank I was going to turn into a sump. I was going to put about 70lbs of rock in it. Does a UV sterilizer work or help?

Before I got dynos I had cyano that receded and came back. I also had mt. dew colored glass. I would clean it and it would grow back sometimes visible within and hour. I was thinking it was a phyto plankton??? my 3 day lights out wiped it out.
 
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