Diver's Den ORA Hybrids!

Slakker

Slakker

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The Diver's den has two ORA A. Frenatus x A. Ocellaris!

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Images hosted elsewhere for posterity once they sell.

I like the coloration, and the body shape is pretty unique as well...if I didn't already have two clowns in my only tank, I'd be seriously tempted.

I wonder what their temperament is like...do you think they've got the Tomato aggression?
 
wow this is very intresting!

Can anyone tell me if this hybrids can reproduce if theyre all sterill?

And how the hell they manage a TOMATO to screw a ocellaris ???

THey use special technics and hormones to pair them up ???

Peace
 
Wow I've always thought the perfect clown for me would be a oce shape with a tomato's colouring! Beautiful! :D

One day... one day...
 
Um...Mottus...

Fish don't have sex. The female lays eggs on a rock and the male swims over them and fertilizes them...So...well...yeah.

Tomato/Ocellaris pairs have been seen before, but this is the first time I've seen offspring grown out for sale. The tomato would most likely be the female in this situation (can anyone imagine an Ocellaris taking the dominant role over a tomato? lol)

I'm on board with that thought, Aaarrrggg...I'm hoping that since these are ORA there will be a relatively steady supply out there by the time I get a big tank set up. :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10222402#post10222402 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Slakker
Um...Mottus...

Fish don't have sex. The female lays eggs on a rock and the male swims over them and fertilizes them...So...well...yeah.
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It's more if the eggs would then hatch or not. I guess it's not overly important if they still went though the motions... at least you wouldn't have to feel bad about the fry getting eaten! :D I'd still be interested in knowing though, just in case I did fancy breeding them.


I'm on board with that thought, Aaarrrggg...I'm hoping that since these are ORA there will be a relatively steady supply out there by the time I get a big tank set up. :)
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It'll give me a chance to get over to the US too. I doubt they'd be very happy shipping to the UK :lol:
 
My post was more in response to:

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=10222078#post10222078 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Mottus
And how the hell they manage a TOMATO to screw a ocellaris ???

THey use special technics and hormones to pair them up ???
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Than it was to the question of the fertility of these hybrids. I'd assume there would be a pretty good chance of these clowns being able to produce viable offspring, as, and I could be mistaken, but it's widely believed that Luecokranos (the Cap clown) are a hybrid, and I believe they are capable of a successful spawn.

I dunno...I'm hoping that I'll be able to find out some day :)
 
Sorry to go off topic. First off, I'm not flaming ANYONE.

I've been a freshwater hobbiest for 15 years, and hybrids definitely have a following, but many, many people seem to hate them, because they are hybrids (flowerhorns come to mind). I just find it funny they are more excepted in the marine hobby. I guess it comes down to people being excited about the breeding success(sw), rather then how they can "improve" nature(fw). Just an observation.

Back to clowns, I like the two bar better then the three bar hybrid. I wonder how they will look as they mature, lose the middle strip like frenatus.

As far as fertility, alot of cichlid (closely related to clowns) hybrids are fertile, even between grossly different genera, so I suspect they would be fertile.
 
Jseymour, It's funny you should say that. Hybridization is often frowned up on in the marine hobby.

Many marine hobbyists/experts fear (especially with clownfish the relative ease with which they are bred) that hybridization will end in fish that stray too far in genetic makeup from their wild counterparts, and that the destruction of the reef will result in a ban on collections. In this terrible scenario, the only fish available in the hobby would be so far hybridized that they would be nearly unrecognizable in comparison to the wild genotype.

If a hobbyist has an A. Ocellaris x A. Percula pair, but has falsely identified the A. Ocellaris as a Percula and thus sells the hybrid as A. Percula, then the genetic stock of captive Percula clowns has become "muddied" with these hybrids, and it could eventually reach the point when no captive clownfish are fully true A. Percula.

However, I think that many people are a lot more comfortable with hybrids when they are accurately identified and labeled as seen here. Both ORA and Live Aquaria have labeled these as Ocellaris/Tomato hybrids, which greatly reduces the risk that anyone will be able to mistake these as either Ocellaris or Tomato, as would be the case with an unlabelled Percula/Ocellaris hybrid.

I also like the one with two stripes...it would be interesting to see if it would develop a third, lose the second, or stay as-is.
 
Believe me, I know the dangers of hybridization. I'm one of the "haters". Just go to any flowerhorn or cichlid forum and look at all of the, "Is this a hybrid?" posts. For the most part, I'm ok with crossing very different fish to the F1 level, as the juvies tend to not look like the parents. I just think that the time and resources are better used on breeding something not yet bred/raised in captivity.
 
I agree with that...I would rather see other types of fish being bred in captivity so that when the day comes that we are no longer allowed to take our specimens from the wild there will be a larger selection of marine ornamentals available both for the hobby and for study.

Not to mention the reduced impact on wild populations due to an increased supply/selection of marine ornamentals bred in captivity.

However...some hybridization from time to time isn't a terrible thing as long as it doesn't destroy the original bloodlines. We've been crossbreeding dogs to suit specific situations for centuries, after all.
 
I'm a huge fan of ORA and am very gratefull for all they have done for the marine industry in raising fish. But I am not a fan of intentional hybrids. Where will it end? Will we have clowns with giant eyes like goldfish?
 
Just look at most the replies to this post.
Thats all ORA is gonna bother worrying about.

They are a business.
 
I think that as long as the hybrids are labeled as such and not marketed as a "super rare red ocellaris" or something stupid like that, it's not going to snowball into something bad.

Like you said, there's a market for these clowns, and ORA is going to capitalize on it. There will be people who don't want anything to do with hybrid clowns, and others, like myself, who think they're beautiful and are curious to see how they behave and how they grow out.
 
I was just ging through some of the old posts of mine and was reminded of this one. Did ORA drop this project? I haven't seen any around. Mostly :rolleyes:, just curious.

Anyone here ever end up with one? Any adult pictures?
 
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