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Just curious why I would still need a crossbar support on the bottom. Wouldn't the attached plywood prevent any flexing of the bottom frame?

Joe

Hi Joe,

You are correct. The attached plywood to the bottom of the frame acts like a crossbar. That is how I have it set up on my 180. I would however, add a cross bar to the top frame unless you have the top covered with plywood. HTH
 
Yes, I would like to hear a plausible explanation for cross bars and maybe throw in center posts. Both seem singularly nonfunctional and a result of someone's misunderstanding of a board meant as a nailer or an attachment point for a cabinet door latch. When you are not going to plaster, and not going to stick doors on, these pieces make no sense.

Hi Rhodophyta,

The cross bars are functional and help guard against/prevent the front and back part of the frame from spreading apart and weakening the stand's support or warping the stand. It doesn't matter if the cross bar is plywood or 2x. On smaller stands it is less of an issue.

If you build your stand using RocketEngineer's guidelines, you won't need a center post for support. The recommended 2x width is designed to span the length of the tank without the use of a center leg. I added one to my build because I want something in the center to hang doors on. HTH :)
 
I did read the whole thread, but I admit it has been a while. I went back and looked at the frist poast before the split - you know thee ONE that started it all. To support the tank all we need is the frame - no plywood. just 2x4s (or larger for larger tanks). Can someone verify this. Thanks

It depends on the type of tank you have. If it's an all glass tank with the plastic trim, all you need is the frame. If your tank is acrylic, you need plywood on top with some foam sheets. HTH
 
I'm partial to the modular approach since before my present stands I've had to cut up the old stands to move tanks. I've moved tanks a couple times now since going modular and it was nice. Building one more modular stand, if my spare time ever lines up, that will hold a 120 and shelves for little tanks underneath.

Yeah, I think modular would be the way to go. It would be easier to move in the future.
 
Hi Rhodophyta,

The cross bars are functional and help guard against/prevent the front and back part of the frame from spreading apart and weakening the stand's support or warping the stand. It doesn't matter if the cross bar is plywood or 2x. On smaller stands it is less of an issue.

I would disagree on that idea. It is a nailer, an artifact from a design where there needs to be a board to "catch" the edge of drywall sheets so they can be nailed up without sagging. The design did not transition completely from wood house framing to "furniture". The crossbars don't have the rigidity they would need to prevent spreading or warping. Even if attached with really serious metal joist hangers, they would fail if the front or back rail of the stand began to warp or twist. Screws and glue don't have a chance.

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If warping is a possible issue the approach in the photo would address it. This shows a stand just before plywood panels are placed on the shelves. The inner edges of the doubled rails drop down by the thickness of the plywood being used. Once screwed and glued in place, the rails are tied together enough that warping or twisting would be minimized without pulling joints apart as would happen with a crossbar.

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Painted, back-braced, and ready for doors, this picture shows the plywood in place on the shelves for the tank and the sump.


If you build your stand using RocketEngineer's guidelines, you won't need a center post for support. The recommended 2x width is designed to span the length of the tank without the use of a center leg. I added one to my build because I want something in the center to hang doors on. HTH :)

I agree with you here completely. The reason for a center post, or an offset post, is to hang doors on, or as a backstop for the door latches. Otherwise it is just something that will get in the way and possibly warp or twist something else that would have been fine.

We can go with a "green" concept and have less wood and more strength, or just throw wood and metal brackets at a design, which could actually weaken it with extraneous non-functional pieces.
 
I would disagree on that idea. It is a nailer, an artifact from a design where there needs to be a board to "catch" the edge of drywall sheets so they can be nailed up without sagging. The design did not transition completely from wood house framing to "furniture". The crossbars don't have the rigidity they would need to prevent spreading or warping. Even if attached with really serious metal joist hangers, they would fail if the front or back rail of the stand began to warp or twist. Screws and glue don't have a chance.

art_diy_stand2_03.jpg


If warping is a possible issue the approach in the photo would address it. This shows a stand just before plywood panels are placed on the shelves. The inner edges of the doubled rails drop down by the thickness of the plywood being used. Once screwed and glued in place, the rails are tied together enough that warping or twisting would be minimized without pulling joints apart as would happen with a crossbar.

art_diy_stand2_07.jpg


Painted, back-braced, and ready for doors, this picture shows the plywood in place on the shelves for the tank and the sump.




I agree with you here completely. The reason for a center post, or an offset post, is to hang doors on, or as a backstop for the door latches. Otherwise it is just something that will get in the way and possibly warp or twist something else that would have been fine.

We can go with a "green" concept and have less wood and more strength, or just throw wood and metal brackets at a design, which could actually weaken it with extraneous non-functional pieces.

Ok, I think we have a disconnect here. What are you referring to when you talk about cross bar? The cross bar I'm thinking about is not a nailer and nothing is attached or nailed to it other than the front and back frame rail. I am referring to the blue piece in the top frame.

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The basic principle of the design is two box frames connected by four legs. The upper one supports the tank and transfers the load to the legs. The legs are made of several pieces of 2X4 to assist in construction and sheething the stand in plywood for strength and cosmetics. The bottom frame transmits the load of the tank into the floor. 


Design notes:
*The plan for this stand consists of 21 pieces. Like color pieces are the same length and of the same board size. 
*The box frames are screwed together first, then the legs are built off the bottom frame, the top frame is then placed on top and secured to the legs.
*The green pieces are screw strips. These provide limited load strength but serve to make assembly easier and help keep the stand square.
*The blue piece between the upper rails (red) works to keep the upper rails from twisting.
 
If I was building this for a 48X24X24 tank and I only had access to 2X4s (2X6s are hard to come by in Taiwan). I plan to use a center brace in both the front and back of the tank, and I will be skinning it with 3/4" plywood.

would it be fine to just use 2X4s?
I assume the reason for a 2X6 top frame is that it would not have the center brace but if I used them would 2X4s be fine? as there would be no sagging.
 
Ok, I think we have a disconnect here. What are you referring to when you talk about cross bar? The cross bar I'm thinking about is not a nailer and nothing is attached or nailed to it other than the front and back frame rail. I am referring to the blue piece in the top frame.
We are talking about the same piece. That's not the disconnect. The disconnect happened long before either of us entered the picture. The blue piece is nothing except a nailer, and a totally useless one in this application since as we have both pointed out, no one is going to nail anything to it. It is just left over from an earlier use for this structural design when drywall would have been nailed to it. The fabrication that it somehow keeps the rails from twisting or warping is just someone trying to explain why this now useless nailer is still there. Someone who didn't understand why it was there in the first place, left it there because they did not know what it was.

When I say it's an artifact, I mean it's useless and left over, like the human appendix and tonsils. Well, really a lot more useless and left over than appendixes and tonsils. I guess it does bother me to see this stuck on to one stand design after another, because it makes all of us otherwise quite intelligent and well educated marine tank keepers look like we don't have two neurons left in our brains to rub together.
 
We are talking about the same piece. That's not the disconnect. The disconnect happened long before either of us entered the picture. The blue piece is nothing except a nailer, and a totally useless one in this application since as we have both pointed out, no one is going to nail anything to it. It is just left over from an earlier use for this structural design when drywall would have been nailed to it. The fabrication that it somehow keeps the rails from twisting or warping is just someone trying to explain why this now useless nailer is still there. Someone who didn't understand why it was there in the first place, left it there because they did not know what it was.

When I say it's an artifact, I mean it's useless and left over, like the human appendix and tonsils. Well, really a lot more useless and left over than appendixes and tonsils. I guess it does bother me to see this stuck on to one stand design after another, because it makes all of us otherwise quite intelligent and well educated marine tank keepers look like we don't have two neurons left in our brains to rub together.

Ok, I see what you're saying. I never new that about that design. I guess I better go look for my missing neuron. :D LOL. Well, mine is already built and I was thinking of hanging a light from it over my fuge. I'll put it to work. :)

Chris
 
If I was building this for a 48X24X24 tank and I only had access to 2X4s (2X6s are hard to come by in Taiwan). I plan to use a center brace in both the front and back of the tank, and I will be skinning it with 3/4" plywood.

would it be fine to just use 2X4s?
I assume the reason for a 2X6 top frame is that it would not have the center brace but if I used them would 2X4s be fine? as there would be no sagging.

Hi teacherthomas and welcome to RC. Yeah, you should be fine with 2x4s if you use a center brace both front and back. :)
 
I didn't read this entire thread but I'm curious why everyone is going so bulky with their stands. I'm about to build one for a 65 tub and was looking at a thread on my local site of a stand/canopy build for a 225. The tank was set up at this guys house for 3 or so years and then he sold it and the stand is still holding the tank.

http://mbrk.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2681
 
I like crossbars on the bottom of my stand I use 2x4's and then cut ' on each side with the table saw so the boards are square. Then I lay the bottom shelf on the top of the brace, that way if I need to lower the shelf I can. That is exactly what I did with my first stand that I built 25 years ago I was able to lower the stand by 2 1/2''
 
I didn't read this entire thread but I'm curious why everyone is going so bulky with their stands. I'm about to build one for a 65 tub and was looking at a thread on my local site of a stand/canopy build for a 225. The tank was set up at this guys house for 3 or so years and then he sold it and the stand is still holding the tank.

http://mbrk.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2681

Yeah...I definitely have to agree on the whole over-building thing. After building my own stand and looking at some of the commercially available ones, I've noticed that using 2x4's and 2x3's just seems like complete overkill. In retrospect, I could have gotten away with using the nicer precut pine or oak boards (even 3/4" cabinet grade plywood) to make my stand. As long as you use pocket screws and wood glue, you should be fine. How many braces, if any, you'd need would depend on your tank size.

As a note, the higher quality solid wood boards would be infinitely easier to work with. They tend to be very straight and ready to go. After dealing with the nightmare of 2x3's, I'll definitely be using solid wood boards for my next tank build. Just too many headaches with the irregularites of 2x3's. Even slight bows and twists, too small to easily be seen on short pieces, will throw your project off immensely.
 
I didn't read this entire thread but I'm curious why everyone is going so bulky with their stands. I'm about to build one for a 65 tub and was looking at a thread on my local site of a stand/canopy build for a 225. The tank was set up at this guys house for 3 or so years and then he sold it and the stand is still holding the tank.

http://mbrk.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=2681

The OP wanted to help folk make stands for their tanks using minimal skill and material. You don't have to use 2xs for stands but they are easily acquired, cut and assembled. They are overbuild but the ease of construction allows more folks to build them. :)
 
Here is the frame of my stand just built the other day. I still have to do a lil bit of work on it before I skin and stain it!

The stand is built for a 180 Gallon Acrylic tank 72*24*24! I built the stand to be a bit bigger than the tank and the stand is 74*26*36

This Kreg Pocket screw Jig is sweet!
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I did a similar design. very overkill. I covered the front with two 18"X24" doors from cabinets. since I am on a concrete slab, I wasnt worried about weight distribution.

I used 2X4s and 2X6s because those are easily culled at HD for cheap in 4' sections.
 

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The OP wanted to help folk make stands for their tanks using minimal skill and material. You don't have to use 2xs for stands but they are easily acquired, cut and assembled. They are overbuild but the ease of construction allows more folks to build them. :)

Fair enough, although wouldn't a cheap pocket screw jig with 1 bys use less material, be just as simple, allow you to skin it with whatever you wanted and it would be lighter?

Don't get me wrong I built my first stand with 2x4s but that thing was a monster. I'm currently waiting for my tank to come in so I can get exact measurements and start a new stand.
 
FishFOOd, when I bought my tank, the stand came with it (so keep in mind, I don't know what I am talking about lol) Shouldn't the tank maker be able to tell you the measurements so you could go ahead and build the stand? I will be ordering my next tank and I would like to get the measurements before the tank comes in, so that I can have the stand ready, thats the reason I am asking.
 
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