DIY Sulfur Denitrator

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13394504#post13394504 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by cb747
After many months i cant get the thing to cycle so last weekend i took it all apart and loaded the whole thing with sulfer. I have a seperate reactor for arragonite. Now im battling the leak that doesnt want to go away LOL The bottom of the reactor started to leak so ive been building up PVC glue to get it to stop. I hope to have it back online in the next few days.

Hi CB,

I have similar leak issue. I just got J-B Weld, WATERWELD, which is supposed to work great with filling/sealing leaks and seal even if wet. It's one of the putties that dries white. I found it online, and then found positive reviews in (aquarium) forums for it.

I'm using it tonight and will let you know.
 
I have my reactor now cycled and running (aside from small leak which will hopefully soone be gone) and it's great. It works just as everyone's been saying. THANKS TO DJFRANKIE for starting this thread so many pages ago!

My next issue to tackle is the pH. It comes out 7.0-7.2 (as was described in the forum). I've run it through the seperate ARM reactor (without recirculation right now), but the best I've gotten the pH is 7.8. I'm going add a pump and recirculate in the ARM reactor for better results.

Here's the question: I normally keep my pH at 8.2, and it seems the best I can hope for from reactors is 8.0. Has anyone set up another step to raise the pH some? I'm planning to add a Kalkwasser drip to help, I'm just wondering if there are any other ideas out there.
 
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I finally got my reactor to stop leaking! Its been online for 2 days now! Will test in a few days to see if its cycling. Now the maxijet leaks but its only a sporadic drip that i can live with. Its coming from inside the pump. Thanks for the advice williah!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13375071#post13375071 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by fbacungan
A tribute to DJ Frankie......

My DJ Denitrator in action. I'd like to give a toast to you. Thanks Frankie.

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I'm definitely flattered :cool:

Wish we lived closer...We would have definitely toasted together ;)

Thanks,
djfrankie
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13366653#post13366653 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DIYMark
Hi everyone,

What a great thread! Quite a long read at 53 pages but it brought me up to speed.

Ive been needing to get rid of nitrates in my freshwater aquarium...will a sulfur denitrator still work in freshwater conditions?

The problem is its quite a small tank (200L) and some what over stocked and Im not too keen to throw fish out :rolleyes: So yeah... it get nitrate up really quick in there.

The best I can do to control nitrates (with only a once a week water change) involves greater than 50% changes which is not very good (pH swingss etc). So Ive been researching denitators. The simple ones which are basically are a coiled pipe (~25 foot long) that has slow water flow through it seem to be pretty much useless - further more this type or any type of denitrator besides the sulfur denitrator require the bacteria to be fed with alcohol/glucose which is a pain. So now after recently discovering the sulfur denitator which requires some what minimal or long intervals between servicing makes it ideal for me :D

Also I wont have to add glucose/alcohol either as the sulfur is the energy for the bacteria. This coupled with the short cycling times means I just had to build a little "proof of concept model" which is what I did...

I used a 3 litre juice bottle which was 50/50 filled with sulfur and crushed coral (the only CaCO3 compound available locally) and I put a T junction on my canister filters output which went to feed into the bottom of Juice bottle (via a 19mm hose) The output from the top was an air hose which went back into the tank. To regulate flow I used air hose valve (the one that squashes the hose).

Initially I left the unit fun on full flow to pretty much clean out the media and air pockets (all of this went into a bucket). Once done I set the unit to 1 drip per second and connected it to the tank. Its been like that for ~33 hours and so far the denitrator output is a slight shade lighter than the tank (ie less nitrates from the denitator).

Id get a photo - well in fact I did, but Its giving me hell trying to upload it to imageshack or photobucket. Anyway, the output from the denitator has less nitrate than from the tank. (Tank is sitting at ~20ppm).

More so, my cheapo "proof of concept denitrator" doesn't have a recirculator pump meaning that cycle times should be longer? or efficiency will be less? or both?

ATM Ive got around 1.3L of sulfur and once gravel rockets etc are taken into account my tank has only 175L of water in it. So I'm pretty close to the 1% of tank volume rule.

So whats left for me to do now? My plans are to wait until nitrates reach zero from the denitator output and then increase flow a bit. If then my little experimental denitator is a success Ill build a proper one.

However, should my nitrates NOT reach zero does anyone have any ideas of what to do? Does any one else use a sulfur denitator for fresh water aquariums?

Oh man ...lots of quetions here:

Sulfur denitrators were originally used in freshwater applications so it should work fine for you.

You're on the right track to cycling the unit just continue doing what your doing at this point. Slowly adjust only after reaching zero nitrates in your effluent.

Let's work on this unit which is already built and cycling ...we'll cross the next bridge when we get there ;)

Good luck!

djfrankie
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13366653#post13366653 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DIYMark
Hi everyone,

What a great thread! Quite a long read at 53 pages but it brought me up to speed.

Ive been needing to get rid of nitrates in my freshwater aquarium...will a sulfur denitrator still work in freshwater conditions?

The problem is its quite a small tank (200L) and some what over stocked and Im not too keen to throw fish out :rolleyes: So yeah... it get nitrate up really quick in there.

The best I can do to control nitrates (with only a once a week water change) involves greater than 50% changes which is not very good (pH swingss etc). So Ive been researching denitators. The simple ones which are basically are a coiled pipe (~25 foot long) that has slow water flow through it seem to be pretty much useless - further more this type or any type of denitrator besides the sulfur denitrator require the bacteria to be fed with alcohol/glucose which is a pain. So now after recently discovering the sulfur denitator which requires some what minimal or long intervals between servicing makes it ideal for me :D

Also I wont have to add glucose/alcohol either as the sulfur is the energy for the bacteria. This coupled with the short cycling times means I just had to build a little "proof of concept model" which is what I did...

I used a 3 litre juice bottle which was 50/50 filled with sulfur and crushed coral (the only CaCO3 compound available locally) and I put a T junction on my canister filters output which went to feed into the bottom of Juice bottle (via a 19mm hose) The output from the top was an air hose which went back into the tank. To regulate flow I used air hose valve (the one that squashes the hose).

Initially I left the unit fun on full flow to pretty much clean out the media and air pockets (all of this went into a bucket). Once done I set the unit to 1 drip per second and connected it to the tank. Its been like that for ~33 hours and so far the denitrator output is a slight shade lighter than the tank (ie less nitrates from the denitator).

Id get a photo - well in fact I did, but Its giving me hell trying to upload it to imageshack or photobucket. Anyway, the output from the denitator has less nitrate than from the tank. (Tank is sitting at ~20ppm).

More so, my cheapo "proof of concept denitrator" doesn't have a recirculator pump meaning that cycle times should be longer? or efficiency will be less? or both?

ATM Ive got around 1.3L of sulfur and once gravel rockets etc are taken into account my tank has only 175L of water in it. So I'm pretty close to the 1% of tank volume rule.

So whats left for me to do now? My plans are to wait until nitrates reach zero from the denitator output and then increase flow a bit. If then my little experimental denitator is a success Ill build a proper one.

However, should my nitrates NOT reach zero does anyone have any ideas of what to do? Does any one else use a sulfur denitator for fresh water aquariums?

Oh man ...lots of questions here:

Sulfur denitrators were originally used in freshwater applications so it should work fine for you.

You're on the right track to cycling the unit just continue doing what your doing at this point. Slowly adjust only after reaching zero nitrates in your effluent.

Let's work on this unit which is already built and cycling ...we'll cross the next bridge when we get there ;)

Good luck!

djfrankie
 
Nano Sulfur Denitrator?

I'm working on a 10 Gallon Nano and plan everything very DIY. I'm hoping to add one, however due to the size of the tank it would be fairly small. (6" tall with 2" PVC)

Could you make one with-out the recirc powerhead, or is that needed?
 
From my understand recirculation is not necessary, it just makes the unit more efficient. It seems that some people have turned off their recirculating pumps after their nitrates are reduced for just that reason. It should work fine without.
 
Randy stated the chemical reaction of Sulfur Denitrator is following as;
2 H2O + 5 S + 6 NO3- -> 3 N2 + 5 SO4-- + 4 H+

Is this aerobic or anaerobic reaction? (I know it is one kind of bacteria, but I do not know which kind of bacteria.)
 
So, if we increase the effu flow rate, the condition inside of the reactor would be aerobic condition. When it happens, what is going to happen?
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=13456994#post13456994 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by takayan
So, if we increase the effu flow rate, the condition inside of the reactor would be aerobic condition. When it happens, what is going to happen?

takayan----One possible result could be the release of Nitrite from the SR into the effluent so be careful here, actually Nitrite IS a product of the reactions occuring in the SR, it's just that we want it to "oxidized" by the bacteria before it pass thru the unit, therefore careful control of the FR (flow-rate) is VERY important during initial cycling is crucial.
 
I am up to 20 gallons a day through the Sulfur Denitrator set up after adding on the second chamber full of Sulfur. My total Nitrate has gone from 25ppm when I put this online and now it is down to 5ppm!!!!! I just had to increase the drip rate because of the rotten egg stench!!
 
drain back thru feed? disaster?

drain back thru feed? disaster?

Anyone have a problem with the feed pump shutting down (power outage,pump failure etc), and the reactor draining back into the tank through the feed pump?

Ive got mine running in a bucket with some old tank water and noticed this earlier when unplugging the wrong pump.

Are you guys just restricting the guest fitting on the reactors inlet, and outlet?

Having it rapidly drain back through the feed pump seems like a possible disaster?

edit- Im sorry if this had been covered. I lurked through this thread in the first few weeks and have tried to go back and cover it all
 
No issues with feed but mine is via return line and I have not had issues at all. COuld you post pics though so everyone can see what this looks like and then give you better feed back.
 
well after some leaks and breakage of the egg crate inside holding the sulfur in place had to take mine off line.. nitrates in the tank back up to 80ppm.. YEA!!! anyway.. so i am goign to redo some things.. first.. wondering if i need the second chamber of arm.. I have a taller peice of 6" od acrylic i was thinking of using and making one really tall reactor and adding as much sulfur as possible.. the lowest i ever got mine was to around 15ppm.. which was nice.. i still had issues with gas build up with the two chamber.. if i do one chamber with the gas vent/output at the same spot i can keep up on the gas venting and can smell the rotten egg smell if i ever get one.. sound like an ok plan??? I can always add a second chamber later.. just need to get more sulfur.. and bio matrix.. I think the new chamber i have is like 6" taller.. so like 30" instead of 24" that should be a bit more media..
 
When we are running Sulfur Denitrator, do we have to do water change regularly? From the chemical equation, it seems like to accumulate SO4-- if we do not change water.

2 H2O + 5 S + 6 NO3- ¨ 3 N2 + 5 SO4-- + 4 H+

saltydog64,
I am sorry late appreciation to you.
 
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