Do Ocean waves get calmer at night ??

waves must change, because wind changes!

wind heading off the shore due to...convective air currents?...run land to ocean, but when the temp differential between land and water is mitigated, the wind velocity (speed? i hate physics!) decreases, and the direction even changes.

some smart guy go look that up please :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12774339#post12774339 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by timrandlerv10
waves must change, because wind changes!

wind heading off the shore due to...convective air currents?...run land to ocean, but when the temp differential between land and water is mitigated, the wind velocity (speed? i hate physics!) decreases, and the direction even changes.

some smart guy go look that up please :)

This is true, but as Billsreef said earlier. Wind created surface waves have nearly nothing to do with currents under the first 6 inches of water. Especially minor temperature offshore/onshore wind.

Large storm wind could cause deeper disturbances. It does depend on which type of reef you're trying to simulate. Some lie a few feet under the surface, most are meters down though.
 
Absolutely wind affects several feet down and I'm not sure that's what Bill was trying to argue.

The reefs here have no major currents and a small tidal range, so the water is virtually stagnant on calm days (3 cm/sec or less). Even with 3 straight days of 40 knot winds the waves get no higher than about 8 inches, yet the difference in flow is very noticeable even at -50 ft. It's not because little 8 inch waves whip up the water 50 ft down (their influence is only felt to a couple of time their own height) but because the wind causes advection of deeper water. Waves are just one type of wind-driven circulation.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12784058#post12784058 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
It's not because little 8 inch waves whip up the water 50 ft down (their influence is only felt to a couple of time their own height)

Surface waves were all I was referring to. I know wind patterns in general can cause or contribute to deeper currents, such as the equatorial current.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=12784058#post12784058 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by greenbean36191
Absolutely wind affects several feet down and I'm not sure that's what Bill was trying to argue.

Greenbean would be right on both counts. The real answer to the question really is "it depends". There are far too many variables to have one simple answer.
 
Wave action generally calms down at night as they are mostly driven by wind and thus weather. At night there is generally less weather (there are exceptions such as solid state T-storms for example) due too the fact that there is far less convective activity (the uneven heating up of the earth's atmosphere and surface by the sun causing evaporation, rising air, cooling air, creating areas of relative high and low pressure etc) as compared to day time, to drive weather and thus wind. However, ocean currents are not affected by that at all. That statement is not totally correct as they ARE also driven by weather but this is cyclical and currents are not affected by short term day/night changes in weather. More by seasonal variations.
 
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This is interesting to me because I've always cut back on the flow after I shut my lights down - been doing this for the entire life of my tank, which is now a little over a year old. I run the Tunze during the day, but at night I shut it off and let the SCWD take over.

So let me ask this, because all of my corals and fish seem to be doing very well: how will the adverse condition of lack of flow at night manifest itself with respect to the appearance or lifespan of the animals? Would it be a gradual decline in health?
 
I think an actual flow measurement would be in order. The tunze provides low flow at night but it probably isn't substantial enough to cause death or decline just speculation, if anything it may very well be enough for the night micro creatures to be more motile and easier capture for the corals? But to know any answer what is to low and how accurate are the modern measuring techniques. I think that is where the years of husbandry knowledge come into play for aquarists.
 
So let me ask this, because all of my corals and fish seem to be doing very well: how will the adverse condition of lack of flow at night manifest itself with respect to the appearance or lifespan of the animals? Would it be a gradual decline in health?
Slowed growth would be the biggest adverse effect. Flow is extremely important for calcification, which despite previous assumptions, has been shown to occur at a significant rate even in the dark. It's also important just for respiration and lowered rates of respiration would be expected to yield slower growth and reproduction.

The tunze provides low flow at night but it probably isn't substantial enough to cause death or decline just speculation, if anything it may very well be enough for the night micro creatures to be more motile and easier capture for the corals? But to know any answer what is to low and how accurate are the modern measuring techniques.
Actually, small, benthic critters tend to stay within the momentum boundary layer so they experience low flow speeds, even in high flow environments. Their movement isn't greatly restricted by high flow. Planktonic organisms are equally active regardless of the flow since they really have no choice. It's really just a matter of how fast the water moves them and what kind of pattern it moves them in. At low speeds they tend to move laminarly and at higher speeds they move more turbulently. The latter is more favorable to feeding. However, corals tend to make a trade off since high flow deforms their tentacles and makes them less suited to catching food. As a result they tend to have the highest feeding rates at moderate flow speeds. There has been a lot of work done in this area, but unfortunately I can't really look up most of it from the field here. However, I would suggest you look at some of Ken Sebens' work as well as some of Brian Helmuth's.

Also, there have been a lot of good numbers published for flow rates in nature. Some reasonable ranges are <5 cm/sec in lagoons, flats, and deep forereefs, 5-15 cm/sec on the backreef and shallow forereef, and 15-50 cm/sec on the reef crest. Unfortunately, since most reef tanks are a jumble of corals from different reef zones, it's really hard to say what the desirable or safe value would be.

There are some really low tech but proven methods for measuring these things though. One way is just to use dye, (usually fluorescein, but food coloring should work) and a meter stick (or a ruler for in tanks) and just measure how far the dye moves in a given time period. Another way is to measure the dissolution rate of a solid such as a block of gypsum, plaster of Paris, or even a wint-o-green lifesaver. There have been papers published on how to correlate the dissolution rates of all three to flow speeds. The second method is a little more involved, but it's also usually more accurate. I would check the chemistry forum first to make sure none of these things would cause problems if your dissolved them in a closed system though.
 
I shut down one of my tunzes for abot 45 min every night after the lights go out to give the fish a break and to allow for easy feeding of LPS. All pumps kick back on afterwards and flow as normal so the SPS get good flow and nutrients. Trying to simulate the calm between tides at night. This seems to work well for me.
 
In my experience, particularly in Thailand, there is no doubt that turbulence within the ocean calms at night. However, the amount of flow we are able to produce in our enclosed systems is minimal compared to the ocean. Therefore, there is little point to switching to 'night mode'.
Just going to switch mine off.
 
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