Dosing Nitrate to reduce Phosphate

Continuing my experiment......
Day 1 ) Reading of 5ppm Nitrate, Phosphate 0.2ppm - No visual sign of diatoms and algae on rocks looking pale for reference.
Day 2 ) Initial reading 2.5ppm Nitrate - re-dosing 10ml to bring it up to + 5ppm Nitrate, Phosphate 0.1ppm - Diatoms starting to appear all over my sand substrate and algae on rocks looks like greening up.
Day 3 ) Nitrate reading 2.5ppm - Diatoms took off and is all over my sand substrate. Phosphate about the same 0.1 ppm and algae on rock s turn dark brown. I think I have brown hair algae. Will take a photo for CP to id.
Day 4 ) Nitrate reading undetectable - Diatoms disappear on sand substrate. Phosphate about less than >0.1ppm - RedSea test kit sux.. can't read lower. I will order a Hanna Checker + regent.
Re dose again 5ml KNO3 this time.
Day 5 ) Nitrate reading 2.5ppm - Diatoms is back again. Phosphate is less than >0.1ppm almost yellow reading with test kit. Brown Algae continue to be healthy brown, but not really growing to my eyes.
Day 6 ) re-dose 5ml KNO3 as Nitrate was 0ppm undetectable. Phosphate less than > 0.1ppm. Diatoms still on sand bed, but have somewhat lessen. Looks like algae starting to thin out a bit, but still looking brown and green lush colour. Note -I have no fish in the aquarium to eat algae and minimum clean up crews to affect the algae.
Day 7 ) Same as Day 6 results, waiting for my Hanna Checker.
Day 8 ) re-dose 5ml KNO3 as Nitrate was 0ppm undetectable. Phosphate is 0.03ppm with Hanna checker. Diatoms still on sand bed, but have somewhat lessen. Looks like algae starting to thin out a bit, but still looking brown and green lush colour.
Day 9 ) Nitrate tested at 2.5ppm, Phosphate I didn't bother to test with Hanna Checker.
Diatoms have gone away in mass, but it is still traces on the sand bed. Looks like algae starting to die off a fair bit now, I am getting alot of algae floating in the water column with only wavemaker running and zero fish to eat algae. Under just the blue lighting, I can see the algae as redish colour. I have seen that before when I dose hydrogen peroxide to get rid of algae. It's the same sign that they are dying.
I have re-dose another 5ml of potassium nitrate - which should bring it up to about 5ppm Nitrate.
Day 10 ) I will not test anything tomorrow, but will report back on Day 11 to see if my nitrate reading have lower or stay at 5ppm. I will test phosphate on Day 11 with Hanna Checker.

Ditto fast forward 7 days to
Day 17 ) My Nitrate was measured at 2.5ppm and I have not dose any additional KNO3 into my aquarium. Phosphate reading is 0 ppm using hanna checker.
Protein skimmer is skimming less now - The skimate is only lightly brown instead of dark brown. Instead of empty cup every 2nd day. It is now 4 days it is required to empty cup.
I am still continue to feed my tank with reef-roid and it seems like I am P limited now as N isn't dropping much now. Happy to stay undetectable reading for N and P.
Hopefully in 2 weeks I can start to add fish back into the aquarium.
 
Day 17 ) My Nitrate was measured at 2.5ppm and I have not dose any additional KNO3 into my aquarium. Phosphate reading is 0 ppm using hanna checker.
Protein skimmer is skimming less now - The skimate is only lightly brown instead of dark brown. Instead of empty cup every 2nd day. It is now 4 days it is required to empty cup.
I am still continue to feed my tank with reef-roid and it seems like I am P limited now as N isn't dropping much now. Happy to stay undetectable reading for N and P.
Hopefully in 2 weeks I can start to add fish back into the aquarium.

I think you are correct too. I'd keep the nitrate level where it is and allow the phosphate level to rise to .02
 
"Was it hard to build?"

I think it's a very nice design;nice work I'd like to make one for my system and try it out as an adjunct to what I'm doing now . I have lots of room and multiple tanks in the basement portion of the system , any additional detail or links you can share would be helpful ; mostly I need to learn how to make a dump bucket.
 
Old business: Although I commented that dumps bucket don't help much with inside the tank water motion, other than locally, it is invaluable to the algal efficiency, inside the tray, making it much more effective.

As for the design, thank you very much. I don't want to hijack this thread with lots of detail discussion on an ATS. Instead, I will try to get a 3-D PDF of the model created and return with a post with a link to it. If it works, you should be able to pull off dimensions and angles. Anyone that has further questions can contact me directly through PM and I will be happy to respnd.
 
Ditto fast forward 7 days to
Day 17 ) My Nitrate was measured at 2.5ppm and I have not dose any additional KNO3 into my aquarium. Phosphate reading is 0 ppm using hanna checker.
Protein skimmer is skimming less now - The skimate is only lightly brown instead of dark brown. Instead of empty cup every 2nd day. It is now 4 days it is required to empty cup.
I am still continue to feed my tank with reef-roid and it seems like I am P limited now as N isn't dropping much now. Happy to stay undetectable reading for N and P.
Hopefully in 2 weeks I can start to add fish back into the aquarium.

Update of my quarantine tank water - which comes from the main display tank.
It has 3 fish waiting inside.
after 5 days of feeding nori seaweed and pellet food to the fish.
Tested the water for nitrate and phosphate = Nitrate 0 undetectable and phosphate 0.2 ppm. Funny how Nitrate at the beginning from DT was 2.5ppm to now 0.
Goes to show even without bio pellets in the QT, the bacteria still converts whatever it needs. Only filtration on it is a AquaOne G220 protein skimmer on the 100 Liters QT.
 
thanks!
here's what I have today..
first, a marked appearance of cyano. not all over but starting.
no3: 1ppm up from .24
po4: .15 down from .3
I will continue with my current dosage of 30ml vinegar (7% acetic acid) and aprox. 1/3 teaspoon cano3 added daily (2 half doses per day)
Ill be interested to see if po4 goes down any more by the weekend.. between .12 and .18 is usually my tank's happy place (and my unhappy place)
I'm shocked at the rapid reduction in biopellets since starting the vinegar, it seems that they have begun to reduce much more quickly..
i might increase the vinegar slightly when i mix a new batch of vin/cano3 this weekend..

Update:
I increased vinegar mid week from 30ml/day to 40.. While keeping cano3 the same.
My test today showed n back at .25 and p back up at .3
I assume the extra vinegar reduced the n and allowed p to climb again..
I'm beginning to think that this new Red Sea no3 test kit (with two powdered reagents instead of one) reads .25 when it is really 0 in the tank.
So! I will go back to my original dose of 30 ml vinegar/7 scoops cano3 and see if n and p go back to my mid week readings..
 
Ok! Here's my update.
Today's tests, after going back to my original dose of 30ml vinegar and 1/3 - 1/2 teaspoon cano3 mixed together into ro water and added daily (2 half doses), n is at 1.5 ppm and p has dropped dramatically to .04.
Clearly, by changing my dosage mid week, last week, I screwed everything up. By going back to my original dose and giving the tank more time, the results were better.
Since start up of this tank, about 1.5 years ago, I have never had this low a p reading.
I will redo the tests tomorrow to confirm my results.
By about Wednesday of this past week, the creeping cyano started to recede and I have very little right now. The bryosis patches have slowed dramatically.
I'll post my results again tomorrow..
 
Ok! Here's my update.
Today's tests, after going back to my original dose of 30ml vinegar and 1/3 - 1/2 teaspoon cano3 mixed together into ro water and added daily (2 half doses), n is at 1.5 ppm and p has dropped dramatically to .04.
Clearly, by changing my dosage mid week, last week, I screwed everything up. By going back to my original dose and giving the tank more time, the results were better.
Since start up of this tank, about 1.5 years ago, I have never had this low a p reading.
I will redo the tests tomorrow to confirm my results.
By about Wednesday of this past week, the creeping cyano started to recede and I have very little right now. The bryosis patches have slowed dramatically.
I'll post my results again tomorrow..

Great work with the experiment.
Goes to show, there isn't just using ATS to extract nutrients out of water.
Just getting the bacteria to do the work - while keeping redfield ratio correct is the key to successful reef keeping. :wildone:
 
Update:
I increased vinegar mid week from 30ml/day to 40.. While keeping cano3 the same.
My test today showed n back at .25 and p back up at .3
I assume the extra vinegar reduced the n and allowed p to climb again..
I'm beginning to think that this new Red Sea no3 test kit (with two powdered reagents instead of one) reads .25 when it is really 0 in the tank.
So! I will go back to my original dose of 30 ml vinegar/7 scoops cano3 and see if n and p go back to my mid week readings..

Great works !
 
My sand bed is my nitrate factory... :)

Yep... :) been there.
But speaking of nitrate factories.. I'm wondering if a small wet/dry filter could act as one...

Anybody think that adding a wet/dry to a nitrate limited system could help liberate some n and help reduce p without having to add extra no3?
 
Yep... :) been there.
But speaking of nitrate factories.. I'm wondering if a small wet/dry filter could act as one...

Anybody think that adding a wet/dry to a nitrate limited system could help liberate some n and help reduce p without having to add extra no3?

For sure esp if you use bio balls and don't clean them:idea:
 
If a significant part of the effect of bioballs involves trapping detritus (as opposed to other mechanisms), then that will likely add phosphate as well as nitrate. :)
 
Right.. Why not just run some Gfo then to reduce the phosphates?

Right on. I run pellets, a little gfo, and since adding the sandbed, the whole system is so much easier to keep everything happy. ~5-10ppm nitrates, .015 po4(been rock-stable)

The gfo helps to keep the phos down, limiting phos forces the pellets to not imbalance the system from the nitrate side, the sandbed keeps pumpin em out :)
(recently got into this balance, pretty happy now lol)
 
But new sanbeds- at least for the first year or two will keep n at zero, in my experience. If it is big enough to handle the bio load.. I guess if you undersize the sand bed, it won't pull n all the way down.. Sounds like a pretty tricky balance you have there bryopsis.
 
Ditto fast forward 7 days to
Day 17 ) My Nitrate was measured at 2.5ppm and I have not dose any additional KNO3 into my aquarium. Phosphate reading is 0 ppm using hanna checker.
Protein skimmer is skimming less now - The skimate is only lightly brown instead of dark brown. Instead of empty cup every 2nd day. It is now 4 days it is required to empty cup.
I am still continue to feed my tank with reef-roid and it seems like I am P limited now as N isn't dropping much now. Happy to stay undetectable reading for N and P.
Hopefully in 2 weeks I can start to add fish back into the aquarium.

Day 27) Finally the 3 fishes are out of the QT and into the Display tank.
While my Nitrate was 2.5 ppm and wasn't dropping, I have decided to wash the Nori seaweed before I feed it to my tangs (QT).
Dumping the waste water from the Nori seaweed into my display tank.
It have quite a bit of phosphate in those water and I continue that for 7 days.
At the end results, my Nitrate is now 0.5 ppm and phosphate is now 0.03. Horray!
Happy with that and all without Rowphos or Phosban media.

Note: Only been 3 days of the tangs being in my Display tank, 50% of the bryopsis and cyno bacteria are gone. Fish loves chewing on those things.
 
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